Re: The 89th All-Nippon High School Tournament Official Thread [R] Code: ■全国高等学校サッカー選手権大会・ベスト8予想 ◇Aブロック1 [B]山梨学院大付、国見、星稜、徳島商、駒大高、大津[/B] ベスト16に勝ち上がるのは、山梨学院大付＆大津 と予想。 山梨学院大付はディフェンディングチャンピオン。 加部未蘭と白崎凌兵の強力2トップを擁し、圧倒的な得点力を誇る。 最終ラインには、関篤志というディフェンスリーダーが睨みをきかせる。 大津はルーテル学院（インターハイベスト8）を降しての全国大会進出。 九州屈指のタレント集団と言っても過言ではないだろう。 藤本貴士＆植田直通のCBコンビは高校トップクラスで、植田直通はU-16日本代表のレギュラー。 トップ下の車屋紳太郎も好選手。個々の能力は非常に高い。 甲乙つけ難いが、[B]大津[/B]のベスト8を予想する。 ◇Aブロック2 [B]前橋育英、神村学園、室蘭大谷、四日市中央工、流通経大柏、明徳義塾[/B] ここは最も厳しいブロックで、死のブロックと言ってもいいだろう。 例年なら、前橋育英＆流通経大柏のベスト16進出で問題なさそうだが・・・。 前橋育英と1回戦で対戦する神村学園は、県大会決勝で鹿児島城西に勝利している。 この鹿児島城西が、なんとなく『仮想・前橋育英』になりそうな予感。 鹿児島城西といえば、なんと言っても高校BIG3のボランチ・鮫島晃太。 そして前線にはFW林諒彦がいる強力なチームだった。 神村学園は、鮫島晃太に対して激しいプレッシャーを90分かけ続け、無力化に成功し、 噂のスーパールーキー・野嶽惇也のゴールなどで全国の切符を手に入れた。 前橋育英の誇る高校BIG3ボランチ・小島秀仁に対しても徹底したプレスを敢行するだろう。 最前線のパワフルストライカー・小牟田洋佑も、沈黙させられた林諒彦の二の舞になるかも。 前橋育英のストロングポイントの消し方を知っている神村学園がベスト16に勝ち上がると予想。 ただし、ハイプレスサッカーを展開する優勝候補・流通経大柏の前には膝を折るか。 [B]流通経大柏[/B]のベスト8を予想。 まあ、しかし前橋育英 vs 神村学園 の1回戦なんてもったいないなぁ。 ◇Bブロック1 [B]水橋、那覇西、座間、香芝、中京大中京、久御山[/B] 本命無き混沌としたブロックではあるが、中京大中京が一歩リードか。 アーセナル入団が内定している宮市亮は、今大会最大級のスターで注目が集まるだろう。 圧倒的なスピードを持つサイドアタッカー・宮市亮を抑えるのは難しい。 若干、守備面で不安を感じるが、攻撃陣には個の能力の高い選手を揃える。 ただ、中京大中京と1回戦で対戦する久御山は、上質なサッカーを展開する事で有名なチーム。 勝負に徹するリアリスティックなトーナメントサッカーではなく、 野洲高校を髣髴とさせるセクシーフットボールを披露する。 『魅せる』というショーマンシップの部分では、全国一のチームかもしれない。 今大会のチームはどんなサッカーを魅せてくれるのか楽しみだ。 まあ、[B]中京大中京[/B]のベスト8進出を予想する。 ダークホースは久御山。 ◇Bブロック2 [B]丸岡、初芝橋本、尚志、佐賀北、羽黒、関大一[/B] 昨年のベスト4・関大一が実力的に抜けているか。1回戦シードチームであり体力的にも有利。 鹿島アントラーズに入団が内定している梅鉢貴秀は、高校BIG3に次ぐ実力派ボランチ。 左右両足のキック精度は大会屈指か。非常にクレバーな選手でサッカーでも大学でも国立を狙える。 ベスト8は[B]関大一[/B]と予想する。 ◇Cブロック1 [B]佐野日大、作陽、秋田商、九州国際大付、西武台、香川西[/B] このブロックは実力的に拮抗した非常に面白いブロックだと思う。 インターハイベスト4の西武台が御三家・埼玉の復権をかけて戦う。 西武台はホーム・埼玉スタジアム2002＆大宮公園サッカー場で戦う事が出来、地元の利がある。 応援パワーももらって、[B]西武台[/B]がベスト8進出か。 IDサッカーの作陽が対抗馬かな。 ◇Cブロック2 [B]松商学園、野洲、帝京大可児、立正大淞南、新潟西、宇部[/B] インターハイベスト8、高円宮杯ベスト16の立正大淞南が本命か。 年間を通して安定した強さを見せており、選手権ベスト8以上も堅いものと見る。 対抗しうる存在は野洲が挙げられるが、今年は1～2年生が中心のチームであり、 全国の経験が豊富な試合巧者・立正大淞南に立ち向かうのは厳しいミッションと思われる。 [B]立正大淞南[/B]がベスト8。 ◇Dブロック1 [B]宮城工、日章学園、静岡学園、米子北、遠野、宇和島東[/B] 静岡学園 vs 米子北 の1回戦が事実上の決勝戦かもしれない。 高円宮杯ベスト4の静岡学園はメチャクチャ強い。No.1高体連チームで優勝候補筆頭。 選手権で、静岡学園にガチンコでぶつかったら勝てるチームはないだろう。 大会前は、静岡学園か流経大柏の優勝を予想していたが、組み合わせを見て考えが変わった。 おそらく、米子北は静岡学園にとって最も相性の悪い対戦相手。 静岡学園と対戦する時は、ガッチリ守ってカウンターがセオリー。 その『ガッチリ守ってカウンター』が最も先鋭的なのが米子北なのである。 最後尾の昌子源（鹿島アントラーズ内定）から高精度のロングパスが前線にバンバン通り 最前線の谷尾昂也（川崎フロンターレ内定）が巧みなポストプレーで橋頭堡を確保する。 静岡学園にとっては、対戦のタイミングも悪かった。 県大会決勝でのレッドカードのため、大島僚太（川崎フロンターレ内定）が出場できない。 変化をつけられる大島僚太が中盤にいれば静岡学園の勝利を予想できたが・・・。 ゲームを支配する静岡学園を、カウンターで沈める米子北・・・。 [B]米子北[/B]のベスト8を予想する。 ◇Dブロック2 [B]駒場、滝川二、鹿島学園、大分鶴崎、広島皆実、青森山田[/B] 今大会最大のスターは柴崎岳（青森山田→鹿島アントラーズ）という事になるだろう。 昨年の準優勝チーム・青森山田はタレント集団で非常に自力のある優勝候補チーム。 ただし、非常に大人しく綺麗でキッチリしたサッカーをしすぎるかな、という不安もある。 悪い意味でエリート面しているというのか、精神的なタフさを感じない。 一方、青森山田と緒戦で対戦する広島皆実は気持ちの強い泥臭いチーム。 局面でシッカリと体を張ったプレーをする広島皆実が青森山田のタレント力を封じると予想。 ベスト8は、[B]広島皆実[/B]か。 インターハイ準優勝の滝川二は、強力2トップの浜口孝太＆樋口寛規の爆発次第だろうが、 他チームからはかなり研究されてきており、苦戦が予想される。 Some great analysis for newbies http://snufkin8go.blog97.fc2.com/blog-entry-295.html
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Re: The 89th All-Nippon High School Tournament Official Thread [R] Hello, So this is Ryo after the injury? When does this movie taken? Also I wanna watch him playing, can someone tell me his high school schedule in the All Nippon High School Tournament?
Re: The 89th All-Nippon High School Tournament Official Thread [R] video is from prefectural final of Aichi-ken, his school team won 2-1, match was played Nov 13th Miyaichi and his Chukyu high school team will play first round match of the final tournament Dec 31st at Mitsuzawa stadium in Yokohama (kickoff 14:10) against Kyoto representatives Kumiyama HS (who beat Goru's team in Kyoto final unfortunately )
Re: The 89th All-Nippon High School Tournament Official Thread [R] Thanks for the info, apparently this young gunner did play after the injury... I am not in Japan, does NTV going to broadcast the match?
Re: The 89th All-Nippon High School Tournament Official Thread [R] As far as I know, the early rounds are usually only broadcast on local television. You might get lucky on a streaming site though, I believe for example that there is someone in Hiroshima that streams the local stuff over the internet. Hopefully nobody will care enough about it to get these people shut down, but you never know >_>
Re: The 89th All-Nippon High School Tournament Official Thread [R] im not sure, but if so only on some local tv channels like Stefanole said ... actually i doubt there will be much live broadcasting apart from the final
Re: The 89th All-Nippon High School Tournament Official Thread [R] This is one of the biggest "Exclusive" broadcasts of the entire year for the independent channels so in fact, if your local team comes from a prefecture with a strong local channel you should be able to see every game. For example Chiba Terebi will show every match involving the Chiba team, KTV does every Kanagawa team match, TV Saitama does every Saitama match, etc. . . On the negative side, this means that there is little coverage for the smaller prefectures, and the match selection is pretty "biased". However for people who live in either the Tokyo area or central Kansai, it means you should be able to get 3-4 matches every gameday, if you have cable or a good digital receiver.
Re: The 89th All-Nippon High School Tournament Official Thread [R] Do you mean the final that start on the 30th of December or the real final game? Many Arsenal fans are eager to see how Miyaichi playing on the field
Re: The 89th All-Nippon High School Tournament Official Thread [R] i meant the final match on January 10th ... however as Matsu said and others like me guessed there will be tv live coverage by local tv channels, maybe CTV is broadcasting Miyaichi's team match on 31st, but you also need a person who is able to get it AND stream it
Re: The 89th All-Nippon High School Tournament Official Thread [R] There were games on every day last year, but some were only visible in Kyoto, others in Osaka. With digital terrestrial, now all is visible from anywhere in Kansai.
Re: The 89th All-Nippon High School Tournament Official Thread [R] Dude... you won't get much of an idea: he's playing against Japanese high school players! There are already clips on YouTube about those games, we know he is good at that level...
Re: The 89th All-Nippon High School Tournament Official Thread [R] yea ... also forgot Chukyo is not only playing alone maybe broadcast by KBS Kyoto for Kumiyama HS too, dont know... and at least KBS Kyoto you could get via keyholetv (also chukyo tv for now at least, i just noticed)
Re: The 89th All-Nippon High School Tournament Official Thread [R] Yes you are right, well actually I just want to see how his game is after the injury The match looks almost everyday for each team... I am wondering how the players cope with it and stay at the best level Anyway good luck for the participating teams and hopefully those other good players can be scouted again by top european clubs
Re: The 89th All-Nippon High School Tournament Official Thread [R] Ehh?? None of these kids are going to be scouted by European clubs. They'll be lucky if they get a look from J2 clubs. The only reason why Miyaichi was given a trial is because he comes from the same area where Nagoya Grampus is located and he was probably suggested to Wenger from a personal contact. It was just a matter knowing the right people and being in the right location. The high school level is extremely low. Their defenses are a joke. There have been success stories but most of the kids in the tournament, atleast the ones with futures, have already signed with J-League clubs i.e. Shibasaki. This is just a swan song for most players and in the long run means nothing.
Re: The 89th All-Nippon High School Tournament Official Thread [R] I think you are seriously misrepresenting the level of quality. Sure, 90% of the players are mediocre at best, but the other 10% includes some real talent. Osako went from a modestly good performance in the HS tourney to an 18-appearance / 4-goal year for the LEAGUE CHAMPIONS. And that is just the latest in a long line of players who went straight from the HS tournament to regular, or even starting spots. The main reason why that didnt happen last year was that the winners - Yamanashi Gakuin - are a college prep school (and so is Ritsumeikan-Uji, as well as three other of the top 8 teams) so all the top seniors went to university rather than joining the J.League. Its true, none of these guys are ready to go straight into a leading club in Europe, but a lot of them would make good development projects. Personally I think Wenger is way ahead of the curve on this. Why are no Japanese players (and few Koreans either, if you think about it) in the EPL? It sure isnt due to quality because you see clubs linked with the likes of Honda, Kagawa and Morimoto all the time. The problem is that none of those rumours go anywhere for a very good reason. Name any player in Europe other than Hasebe - ANY ONE - and Ill show you the stats to prove that they couldnt get a visa to play in England. No way a deal would ever go through for a high profile player if the UK immigration was unwilling to confirm in advance that they can get a visa. And they wont do that. They will bend the rules on special appeal, but it has to be submitted as such, and there are numerous cases in which the request gets turned down (have you forgotten Tulio . . . or Alex Santos . . . or Miyamoto???) Nobody wants to go through that again. And theyve all heard the stories from the people who went through it, so they know better than to negotiate with EPL teams. As a result, the only exceptions you get are guys like Abe, who desperately wants to leave his J.League team, finds a club that desperately wants an Asian player regardless of quality or pedigree (in Leicester's case, due to the Thai owners), and is willing to sit around in England for two weeks HOPING his visa will get approved. (Plus, Abe was far closer to the regulation of having played 2/3rds of Japan's internationals in the last 2 years. Comparatively speaking, Honda, Morimoto and Kagawa are nowhere CLOSE) Is it any wonder that no Japanese players want to take a chance on negotiating with an EPL club? Wenger has figured out that the only way he is ever going to get around the stupid UK passport laws is by bringing in a youth player, who wont be subject to the restrictions, and then hope he blossoms into a top team player. If it doesnt work out, nobody in England will even remember, and certainly nobody will blame Wenger. Personally I think hes got the right solution, and I hope it works out for both Arsenal and Miyachi. Having said that, if the EPL REALLY wants to attract Asian players, they need to get rid of their stupid work visa rules, otherwise theyre going to lose out to German, Italian, French and Spanish (and even Russian) clubs every time.
Re: The 89th All-Nippon High School Tournament Official Thread [R] England is no different than most other EU countries. Every single major league has "home-grown" restrictions now. Both Spain and Italy only allow 1 non-EU transfer per year. Germany and France have a 4 non-EU player limit per squad. Anyways the high school route will die eventually. Youth teams have become a much prominent and efficient in gathering talent. It's much more beneficial for clubs because they can evaluate the players with greater ease and less restrictions. The school system is still a decent option, but it will die.
Re: The 89th All-Nippon High School Tournament Official Thread [R] Not true. There is a HUGE difference Which has no importance because these are things that are entirely under the control of the club, and which they and the player can negotiate over with no worries that the deal will be voided by some outside interference. England (actually the UK), on the other hand, has visa restrictions on who can and who cannot get a visa to work in that country. If a player has played less than 67% of his team's international matches over the past two years, they cannot get a visa. Even though the club has signed the player, the player has signed, and is in the country, they can be sent packing because of a failure to get a visa. Regardless of what the club and the player want.... regardless of the contract.... regardless of how many positions the club has open for non EU players..... The UK immigration authorities (who might know nothing about football) can step in and say "sorry folks. He cant play in England" To make things worse, they wont make a decision until AFTER the player arrives in England, presents his passport, and asks for a work visa. This has actually happened to Japanese players. Not once, but on THREE occasions in the past. If you were a Japanese player, and you KNEW that you would be unable to meet the 67% rule, would you take a chance of negotiating with an EPL club, knowing that even if you worked everything out with the club, and everything seemed to be fine, and you signed the contract, somebody would come in and say "NOPE - you gotta go back to Japan" ?? I sure as hell wouldnt. So please . . . dont talk unless you know the facts.
Re: The 89th All-Nippon High School Tournament Official Thread [R] #1 nothing I wrote is factually wrong so I don't know where that statement comes from #2 These other EU clubs are no different from England. Do you really think that they would take a Japanese player with no international experience over lets say a Brazilian or Argentinian? Atleast England has an excuse for being ignorant. Unless they are financially handcuffed like Mallorca are the chances are slim. Yes this is prejudice but there's nothing that can be done at the moment. #3 I don't care about the English WP system so stop talking about it. My point is that Miyaichi is a one-off and that BIG European clubs will not be scouting high school students. I don't know where this shit about England started.
Re: The 89th All-Nippon High School Tournament Official Thread [R] Where does it come from? Dude, either you arent listening, or your English skills need improving. Let me spell in out for you. - In England, if you have not played in over 67% of yoiur national team's matches over the past two years, you cant get a working visa. Keisuke Honda has played less than 50% of Japan's matches over the past two years. Therefore, Keisuke Honda could not get a visa. If he were to sign a contract with Liverpool tomorrow, he might find out three days later that he cant play for Liverpool, and have to start looking for a whole new team!!!! Keisuke Honda does not qualify for a working visa in England. Keisuke Honda plays in Russia so obviously England is not the same as Russia Shinji Kagawa could not get a visa for the same reason. Shinji Kagawa plays in Germany so obviously England is not the same as Germany Yuto Nagatomo could not get a visa for the same reason Yuto Nagatomo plays in Italy, so obviously England is not the same as Italy. Maya Yoshida could not get a visa Maya Yoshida plays in Holland, so obviously Holland is not the same as England Akihiro Ienaga DEFINITELY could not get a visa. Akihiro Ienaga just signed with Mallorca, so obviously Spain is not the same as England. Do you get it now? Again, either you arent reading my posts, or your English comprehension sucks. The reason why Wenger signed a high school student is that it is the only way he can dodge the rules for working visas. If you sign an underage player, to a youth squad, he doesnt have to get a working visa. When he is old enough, and gets elevated to the full squad, he is already an Arsenal player and thus AUTOMATICALLY gets a work visa. In other words, this method - signing high school players - is a brilliant way to dodge the stupid visa restrictions in the UK. If any other EPL teams want to sign a Japanese (or Korean) player, they will have to use this same dodge, or else hope that some player is SOOOOO good that they start every Japan NT match for two years (and if thats the case, they will already be signed by some club in Germany, Italy, Spain etc). This discussion is important because the ONLY way Japanese players will ever get signed by an EPL team is if the team follows Wenger's example. So dont tell me this high school team method is a one-off. If it *IS* a one-off then what you are saying, in other words, is that Japanese players will never ever ever ever ever play in the UK. Please, READ THAT MESSAGE CAREFULLY, and if there is something you dont understand then ASK. Sheesh. Some people . . . .
Re: The 89th All-Nippon High School Tournament Official Thread [R] Calm down calm down... as Arsene said, it is true that he has difficulties in signing non EU player with those visa restrictions. No excuse. but those high school students would also need to prove themselves to be acknowledge by elite managers. Some media even always emphasize that Miyaichi only a high school student and Wenger is the subject for critics. Lets just dont talk about those EU club with their stupid regulation anymore. after all, this is The 89th All-Nippon High School Tournament Official Thread
Re: The 89th All-Nippon High School Tournament Official Thread [R] #1 WTF is this about. Your complaining that I don't read, but do you? Where the ******** do I talk about other players? I told you that I don't care about restrictions in other countries my main point of interest is the abilities of high school players For some reason you keep going on and on about some shit I'm not even talking about. WTF is this about. Your complaining that I don't read, but do you? Where the ******** do I talk about other players? I told you that I don't care about restrictions in other countries my main point of interest is the abilities of high school players For some reason you keep going on and on about some shit I'm not even talking about. #2 What the hell is your problem? I myself can get hotheaded at times, but why the hell are you trying to turn this into a bigger argument than it has to be? I stated my opinion that high school soccer is a poor indicator of skill and then you randomly start saying shit about that transfer system. I don't ********ing care. Get that into your head. #3 I don't ********ing care about the WP system so stop talking about it? How hard can it be? #4 England and the rest of the EU have a similar mentality. Yes other EU countries do not have WP issues, BUT they have similar restrictions that would affect the type of players they bring in. Let me ask you something. If you had a limit of 4 non-EU players then what nationality would they be? Most clubs would probably want South Americans rather than Japanese players because they see them as having a huge upside and are low risk gambles. #5 FFS calm down. The world isn't ending yet.....
Re: The 89th All-Nippon High School Tournament Official Thread [R] Look, I dont know what YOUR problem is, but mine is the fact that I wrote a comment discussing the reasons why Wenger's move made a lot of sense, and why this seems to be a good option for clubs in England. . . . and you responded by trying to tell me that I was wrong, and that England is no different from any other country. Well buddy, YOU are wrong. England IS different. It is a very important issue that concerns all Japanese players, and it has a particular implication on high school players. If you had kept your mouth shut and didnt try to contradict me (based on your total lack of knowledge about the issue), none of this would have gotten started. I was simply trying to elevate the discussion. If you are either too dense to understand the issues mentioned, or too disinterested to care about getting your facts straight, then DONT CONTRADICT ME IN THE FIRST PLACE. I realise that most of the people who post here are just casual fans with little background knowledge, and thats fine. Nobody insists that you know everything, in order to post here. But for gods sake man, dont tell someone theyre wrong, when you havent got a clue what the true situation is.