The 2013 In Season NFL Thread

Discussion in 'Football' started by Alberto, Sep 5, 2013.

  1. HardHatMike

    HardHatMike DOOOOOOOOM!

    Traktor Nebraska
    Aug 31, 2005
    Lincoln, Nebraska
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Maybe 'Epically Cleveland-esque' is a better way of saying it than 'Historically.'

    But you get the gist.
     
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  2. Waliatiger

    Waliatiger Member+

    Jul 1, 2013
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    Arsenal FC
    Hooray another mediocre QB joins the rank of having a ring.
     
  3. Hendrixforpope

    Hendrixforpope Member+

    Barcelona
    Brazil
    Dec 15, 2007
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
    Only time will tell. It's a little too early to put a definitive tag on Russell Wilson. There has to be something said about being a good 'game manager' (and not in the negative sense).

    There's no need to be so cynical.
     
  4. MatthausSammer

    MatthausSammer Moderator
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    Dec 9, 2012
    Canada
    Club:
    Borussia Dortmund
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    Agreed. He does what he has to to win. Credit to him, he doesn't screw up, makes smart decisions, never gets in the way of his team winning, and when its time to play, he makes plays. More than what we could say for a LOT of NFL QBs.
     
  5. HardHatMike

    HardHatMike DOOOOOOOOM!

    Traktor Nebraska
    Aug 31, 2005
    Lincoln, Nebraska
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I can name 21 at this point. :(
     
  6. Auriaprottu

    Auriaprottu Member+

    Atlanta Damn United
    Apr 1, 2002
    The back of the bus
    Club:
    Atlanta
    Nat'l Team:
    --other--
    At this point, Roethlisberger was 25-6 reg and 4-1 post, with a ring. I don't know how many other QBs have had this kind of success to start out, but Wilson's 24-8 reg season and 4-1 postseason, with a ring, a ROTY and two Pro Bowls. That measures up fairly well against the 2012 and 2013 seasons of pretty much any other QB in the league, especially the postseason numbers. IMO, the Pro Bowls tell me he's not Jim McMahon or Trent Dilfer. He doesn't have the stats we all look for when we decide to rank quarterbacks, but he's managed to split up the points and plays across the season in such a way that they get more than the other guys most of the time.
     
  7. Mengão86

    Mengão86 Moderator
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    Flamengo
    Brazil
    Nov 16, 2005
    Maryland, RJ/ES/PE
    Club:
    Flamengo Rio Janeiro
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    Don't tell me you think Flacco is one :eek:
     
  8. MatthausSammer

    MatthausSammer Moderator
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    Dec 9, 2012
    Canada
    Club:
    Borussia Dortmund
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    I'm going to say he absolutely is. I remain convinced that his 2012 performance level in the playoffs was actually Aaron Rodgers wearing a Flacco mask. :p
     
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  9. Alberto

    Alberto Member+

    Feb 28, 2000
    Northern, New Jersey
    Club:
    New York Red Bulls
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Some seriously skewed logic and conclusions in your post.

    Those teams with game managers or non-elite quarterbacks won because the surrounding talent in all aspects was better. Come now Brad Johnson sucked as did Dilfer. Roethlisberger his first Super Bowl was terrible, but you can't jump to the conclusion that ergo you can win with those guys. An elite quarterback is not a drawback. It actually shows how far you can get in today's NFL that so many flawed teams can get as far as they get in the playoffs on the arm of their quarterbacks due to the rules promoting passing. We learned yesterday that Denver had no business playing against Seattle.

    What we have in Peyton are two serious issues. Number one is a team issue, the Broncos were not as good as Seattle. At nearly every position Seattle out played the Broncos The Seahawks were more physical, quicker, faster and better.

    Two, Manning in big games comes up small. Peyton does not elevate his play and does not make plays to lift his team. His record in the playoffs is 11 wins and 12 losses. His Super Bowl record is 1 win and 2 losses. There is a big disconnect in Manning from his regular season record and the playoffs. All of the Manning apologists need to stop defending him. Peyton chokes in big games. You could see him on the sidelines in the second quarter as the game was slipping away that there was a look of concern and you just knew when he returned he would press and be tight. Last night Manning may have completed 34 out of 49 passes, for 69 percent, but nearly every pass was a seven yard completion. Every time he threw 15 or more yards down field he was inaccurate and had two picks. His passer rating was only 73.5 percent compared to his regular season passer rating of 115.1. Maybe part of the problem with Manning is that he does not adjust well when teams take away what he does well. Also, his lack of mobility makes it difficult for him to make plays. Let's face it, most quarterbacks look bad when they are pressured. Having the ability to escape is a valuable trait when you cannot stand in the pocket. But it's more than that. You can't have that level of efficiency during the regular season and play so poorly in the play offs.

    There is one other aspect that was troubling. What happened again to Manning's arm strength? He threw a much higher percentage of wounded ducks last night than he did in the AFC championship. Injury or fatigue?
     
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  10. Alberto

    Alberto Member+

    Feb 28, 2000
    Northern, New Jersey
    Club:
    New York Red Bulls
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    #1260 Alberto, Feb 4, 2014
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    If Eli had played the Broncos would have had a better chance of winning. Eli is clutch in big games unlike his brother.
     
  11. Alberto

    Alberto Member+

    Feb 28, 2000
    Northern, New Jersey
    Club:
    New York Red Bulls
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Yes, but only for that season. It thankfully remains an aberration. I have always thought of him as not being particularly bright. His major talent is his arm strength.
     
  12. billyireland

    billyireland Member+

    May 4, 2003
    Sydney, Australia
    Eli has never won a playoff game where his team have conceded over 20 points.
     
  13. stanger

    stanger BigSoccer Supporter

    Nov 29, 2008
    Columbus
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States

    And they have all started games in Cleveland in the last 5 years;)
     
  14. stanger

    stanger BigSoccer Supporter

    Nov 29, 2008
    Columbus
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I'm not going to get into the rating of Wilson at this point. What I do like is ability to move and create on the run, even when throwing against his body. He was throwing darts on 3rd down in the SB, and into tight spaces. But, I also understand with Lynch and the D, he isn't being asked to do too much and if there isn't anything there he can eat it and let the D take care of things.
     
  15. Mengão86

    Mengão86 Moderator
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    Flamengo
    Brazil
    Nov 16, 2005
    Maryland, RJ/ES/PE
    Club:
    Flamengo Rio Janeiro
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    Not take anything away from Eli, but if Tyree doesn't make a circus catch, we aren't talking about how clutch Eli is.
     
  16. Alberto

    Alberto Member+

    Feb 28, 2000
    Northern, New Jersey
    Club:
    New York Red Bulls
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    He did make the play and avoided a sure sack in the process.
     
  17. minerva

    minerva Member+

    Apr 20, 2009
    Denver, CO
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    so if it's just Manning that's the issue, how do you account for Brady's recent failures in Superbowls?
    yes, those non-elite Superbowl winning QBs had overall better teams around them than Brady has had recently and perhaps Manning as well, but a significant aspect of my argument is that an elite QB takes up too much salary cap space, and therefore you don't have the cap space to build up a team around him.
    having an elite QB is a two-fold drawback:
    1. is the salary cap issue - which hampers the GM's ability to create a complete team.
    2. is the focus of too much attention on a single aspect of the game of football - the passing game, which hampers the development of the other aspects of football (in particular defense and running game)
     
  18. Mengão86

    Mengão86 Moderator
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    Flamengo
    Brazil
    Nov 16, 2005
    Maryland, RJ/ES/PE
    Club:
    Flamengo Rio Janeiro
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
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    Browns don't even know what their OC looks like...
     
  19. HardHatMike

    HardHatMike DOOOOOOOOM!

    Traktor Nebraska
    Aug 31, 2005
    Lincoln, Nebraska
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    Columbus Crew
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    United States
    15 Years, to be precise.
     
  20. unclesox

    unclesox BigSoccer Supporter

    Mar 8, 2003
    209, California
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
  21. chaski

    chaski Moderator
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    Mar 20, 2000
    redacted
    Club:
    Lisburn Distillery FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Turks and Caicos Islands
    Manning ;)
     
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  22. Alberto

    Alberto Member+

    Feb 28, 2000
    Northern, New Jersey
    Club:
    New York Red Bulls
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Brady and the Patriots no longer film or video tape the opponents. That gave them a huge edge in games. Since Videogate the Patriots have not won a Super Bowl. Also, and equally as important. Bellicheck has not been as good a defensive coach over the past few years and the draft selections have been poor as of late too. It's not just because the Patriots draft om the later rounds.

    Brady already took a pay cut.

    I think the cap is a major problem that limits what GM's can do to strengthen their teams. There is no question GM's who pick gems in all rounds like Seattle's are extremely valuable commodities.

    As to coaching other aspects of the game, the passing game excels because of the rules in place. You can't hit the quarterback. You can't hand check or chuck the receivers beyond the line of scrimmage. Defense is defense and those coaches are somewhat disadvantaged by the rules promoting passing.
     
  23. stanger

    stanger BigSoccer Supporter

    Nov 29, 2008
    Columbus
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  24. Auriaprottu

    Auriaprottu Member+

    Atlanta Damn United
    Apr 1, 2002
    The back of the bus
    Club:
    Atlanta
    Nat'l Team:
    --other--
  25. taosjohn

    taosjohn Member+

    Dec 23, 2004
    taos,nm
    :eek:Oh c,mon man-- no one from the 49ers is behind or even beside a video which claims the league is fixing games... it is not only not beneath them, it is not in the same reality with them.

    The video is more like "government false flag snow" than it is like "the NFL won't let the Raiders win."
     

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