The 2013 In Season NFL Thread

Discussion in 'Football' started by Alberto, Sep 5, 2013.

  1. Auriaprottu

    Auriaprottu Member+

    Atlanta Damn United
    Apr 1, 2002
    The back of the bus
    Club:
    Atlanta
    Nat'l Team:
    --other--
    The latter. "America's Team" being awarded to the Dallas Cowboys was probably #1.
     
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  2. Cascarino's Pizzeria

    Apr 29, 2001
    New Jersey, USA
    With the "never even look sternly at a wide receiver" rules of today, I estimate that Marino, Duper & Clayton would've put up around 200 Bazillion TDs. Hell, Richard Todd would be throwing 45. It's becoming the Steroid Era of baseball in the NFL.
     
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  3. billyireland

    billyireland Member+

    May 4, 2003
    Sydney, Australia
    This is true. But on the flipside if it this is to be used against modern QBs and WRs, it has to be used in favour of modern DBs. E.g. what the likes of Ed Reed, Charles Woodson and Darrelle Revis have spent the last 5 - 9 years (since the rule changes in '04 iirc) must surely then be more impressive than what those in decades past did as they are doing so in far, far more difficult circumstances.
     
  4. taosjohn

    taosjohn Member+

    Dec 23, 2004
    taos,nm
    Absolutely.
     
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  5. billyireland

    billyireland Member+

    May 4, 2003
    Sydney, Australia
    Actually, yes. That slipped my mind as I thought it was something the Cowboys themselves came up for marketing purposes, but after Googling... it actually isn't. That's just pretty shit, in honesty.
     
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  6. Auriaprottu

    Auriaprottu Member+

    Atlanta Damn United
    Apr 1, 2002
    The back of the bus
    Club:
    Atlanta
    Nat'l Team:
    --other--
    I'm wondering who it was that decided we wanted to see more offense, offense, offense? That isn't how the game ought to be played.
     
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  7. billyireland

    billyireland Member+

    May 4, 2003
    Sydney, Australia
    I only started watching in 2002, but even I miss the old rules for the limited time I had them. The fact a WR can literally grab a DBs forearm and shake it repeatedly as they run, knowing he has maybe a 70% chance of DEFENSIVE PI call go his way is just pathetic. I actually kind of appreciate receivers who exploit it, because f'k it... take what you're given (and they exploit huge flaws that even the comm's try to ignore as they seem to think it helps ratings).
     
  8. Hendrixforpope

    Hendrixforpope Member+

    Barcelona
    Brazil
    Dec 15, 2007
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
    Who's to say the elite QBs of the past would put up better numbers in the current NFL rules climate than the elite QBs of the present are?
     
  9. Auriaprottu

    Auriaprottu Member+

    Atlanta Damn United
    Apr 1, 2002
    The back of the bus
    Club:
    Atlanta
    Nat'l Team:
    --other--
    It's not just the QBs. DBs could hit and hack on a WR all the way down the field when the game was real. Surely that affects the completion rate. And if fear/concern for one's safety/inability to withstand hits is a factor, the Golden Era guys would likely have an advantage.
     
  10. Alberto

    Alberto Member+

    Feb 28, 2000
    Northern, New Jersey
    Club:
    New York Red Bulls
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Like you said defensive backs could chuck receivers all the way down field. I was reminded of that this weekend when the Giants played the Chiefs and the Chief db's chucked and grabbed the Giants receivers all the way down field. Emmett Thomas would have been proud.

    It makes a huge difference to be able to hack guys down the field. Completion percentages are hugely affected by it. Put Joe Montana, Staubach, Jorgenson and others in today's era with the restrictions and touching receivers and you would see similar completion percentages.
     
  11. Mengão86

    Mengão86 Moderator
    Staff Member

    Flamengo
    Brazil
    Nov 16, 2005
    Maryland, RJ/ES/PE
    Club:
    Flamengo Rio Janeiro
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    I'm guessing the same people who implemented changes in other American sports to increase the scoring (and also their pocketbooks).....Hockey made its goals wider, baseball used the publicity it got from the steroid era (Sosa vs McGuire, Bonds, etc.) until the scrutiny became really bad, defense in the NBA has gone down the drain leading to more scoring (and a little tap is called a foul nowadays), etc...
     
  12. Mengão86

    Mengão86 Moderator
    Staff Member

    Flamengo
    Brazil
    Nov 16, 2005
    Maryland, RJ/ES/PE
    Club:
    Flamengo Rio Janeiro
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    DBs were able to do more to WRs in the past, but then you had guys like Michael Irvin who would shove off on almost every play and get away with it...
     
  13. billyireland

    billyireland Member+

    May 4, 2003
    Sydney, Australia
    There are still plenty of WRs who do an awful lot of that, and often when they do it and fail to make the catch, they get a DEF P.I. call in their favour these days.
     
  14. Dr. Wankler

    Dr. Wankler Member+

    May 2, 2001
    The Electric City
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    I agree with this post, but I'm pretty sure the hockey goal that Marc-Andre Fleury protects this week is the same six-feet by four-feet that Turk Broda defended in the 30s and 40s.

    They changed rules regarding goalie padding not long ago.
     
  15. Hendrixforpope

    Hendrixforpope Member+

    Barcelona
    Brazil
    Dec 15, 2007
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
    That's not what I'm saying though. Implying that 'Golden Era' quarterbacks would put up ridiculous stats in today's game implies that they were inherently better than today's elite quarterbacks. How is that so? Would they not (at best) put up similar numbers?
     
  16. hojalimpia

    hojalimpia Red Card

    Oct 2, 2013
    Goalies were wearing clothing about 4 sizes too big to provide extra coverage.
     
  17. Emperor Adriano

    Emperor Adriano Member+

    Jun 17, 2009
    Utica NY (the refugee city)
    Club:
    Santos FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    My money picks are Detriot +7 and Arizona +2
     
  18. Auriaprottu

    Auriaprottu Member+

    Atlanta Damn United
    Apr 1, 2002
    The back of the bus
    Club:
    Atlanta
    Nat'l Team:
    --other--
    Who knows? It's within the realm of possibility.

    But being a QB from an era where they got hit, and got back up and called another play definitely would give those elite QBs an advantage over an era where the winningest QB and the guy tied for fourth are averse to even being breathed on.
     
  19. Emperor Adriano

    Emperor Adriano Member+

    Jun 17, 2009
    Utica NY (the refugee city)
    Club:
    Santos FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    You are right and I am from the younger generation, I think you can even notice a drastic difference in the rules from when Peyton lost to the patriots after Ty Law dominated .. There is plenty of film on youtube of old games so it is quite obvious to me.
     
  20. taosjohn

    taosjohn Member+

    Dec 23, 2004
    taos,nm
    The guy who comes to mind immediately as likely having a much longer and better career is Don Meredith. He was all beat up all the time...

    Starr would have profited from a group of receivers-- McGee, Dowler, Dale, Fleming-- who would have profited immensely from being allowed to run their routes free after five yards. Plus, with Moore, Taylor, Hornung, Pitts, Mercien, and Anderson he almost never had a two-back set in which both were not legitimate downfield receiving threats.

    Unitas had an essentially career ending injury the season of super bowl three, but I don't remember how it happened.

    OTOH, Suh or Watt facing blockers who couldn't even turn their palms outward without being called for holding-- Meredith might end up all busted up all the time anyway.
     
  21. Hendrixforpope

    Hendrixforpope Member+

    Barcelona
    Brazil
    Dec 15, 2007
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
    Just keep chewin' that gum, Pete. Just keep chewin' that gum.
     
  22. Auriaprottu

    Auriaprottu Member+

    Atlanta Damn United
    Apr 1, 2002
    The back of the bus
    Club:
    Atlanta
    Nat'l Team:
    --other--
    I said it at the beginning of the season and I was right. The Steelers would not lose in Week 5 :D
     
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  23. Hendrixforpope

    Hendrixforpope Member+

    Barcelona
    Brazil
    Dec 15, 2007
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
    The Broncos D can be had.
     
  24. billyireland

    billyireland Member+

    May 4, 2003
    Sydney, Australia
    They've been OK-but-not-great to this point, but if I am right they do get Von Miller back after next week which should be a huge boost. What I love is that, some place, somewhere, there is a Tony Romo hater attempting to pin last night's loss on him and his 5 TDs though. :p

    Also, Matt Schaub now has four pick sixes in a row. He's got to be approaching some kind of record at this point?
     

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