The 2012 US Presidential Race Post-Mortem

Discussion in 'Elections' started by American Brummie, Nov 7, 2012.

  1. JohnR

    JohnR Member+

    Jun 23, 2000
    Chicago, IL
    Following up on the media -

    It greatly exaggerated the number of battleground states. Nevada +6, Iowa +6, Minnesota +8, PA +5, Wisconsin +7. Those were not close.

    Also, Obama won the "toss-up" state of Colorado by more than Romney won his "lean" state of North Carolina, and Obama won the "toss-up" state of Virginia by as much as Romney won NC.

    So the media coverage of those states was biased in favor of Republican projections. As was the notion that the popular vote being a coin flip. Obama won by a modest but solid 2.2 points.

    The only areas where the coverage fairly stated Republican chances was in Ohio being close, and in Florida being neck and neck.

    So let's be clear for the record. The "liberal" media sold the Republican viewpoint. It was not accurate and unbiased pre-election coverage.
     
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  2. dark knight

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    I don't totally disagree with you, but in hindsight I'm not sure some of those states were considered that secure - and I'm not sure I really mind erring on the side of who knows. Way too much focusing on polls and who will win, in my opinion. I think we may need popular vote to make it a whole lot more uncertain.
     
  3. Minnman

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    WINNER: empiricism
     
  4. JohnR

    JohnR Member+

    Jun 23, 2000
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    Do elections need to be more uncertain?
     
  5. dark knight

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  6. chad

    chad Member+

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    Or they will get to see immigration reform and a push for the DREAM Act.
     
  7. Boloni86

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    Liberal partisans were invested in this narrative. The goal is to get out the vote. The idea is that complacency could result in a point or two loss which could of flipped Florida, Virginia and Florida.
     
  8. dark knight

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    I'm not sure - I'm raising the question of whether it would be better if we didn't know with such certainty and if success weren't tied so closely to one or two states - whether we'd all do better about participating and being engaged in the process and the actual issues. When it's about one or two states, for most of us it becomes a football game where we are just cheering our guys strategy in certain markets as opposed to what he/she thinks is best for the country.
     
  9. dark knight

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    Good point, but it spoils my attempt at a joke.
     
  10. Minnman

    Minnman Member+

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    I don't much care (I'm too relieved and, frankly, operating on too few hours sleep), but has the 'unskewed polls contingent' (Quayle et al) made any appearances on these boards in the last 24 hours?
     
  11. chad

    chad Member+

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    They're busy getting orders on how to start a "rich people throw a temper tantrum on the stock market" thread.
     
  12. Hararea

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    Jan 21, 2005
    A byproduct of this is that Ohio wasn't as critical as everyone (including Nate Silver) seemed to think. Two of Obama's other alternatives both turned out to be more comfortable, Colorado and Virginia.
     
  13. Dr. Wankler

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    An added loser, then: the arts. One of the Koch brothers ponies up big for classical music, opera, and dance. Would've better spent his money there, IMO.
     
  14. Hararea

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    Jan 21, 2005
    As a slightly related question, which candidate's policies would make it easier to write off the losses from owning a moneypit soccer team?
     
  15. cleansheetbsc

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  16. dark knight

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  17. luftmensch

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    Time to kiss and make up.

    [​IMG]
     
  18. cleansheetbsc

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    I'd add Kid Rock to the loser list, but I don't really think he lost any standing.
     
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  19. Hararea

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    Jan 21, 2005
    That link is from back in April. More recently, he was saying things like

    Oct 23: "The supposition that Ohio is the most important state in presidential elections is not always true ... But this year, all the clichés about Ohio are true."

    Nov 1: "The argument we’re making [for Obama being ahead] is exceedingly simple. Here it is:

    Obama’s ahead in Ohio."
     
  20. Knave

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  21. dark knight

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    I think he's consistently said it's the tipping point and I don't think that's changed.
     
  22. MasterShake29

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    Oct 28, 2001
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    Losers - The American people. Not because of the result yesterday, but because of what was discussed in the campaign, or more precisely what wasn't discussed and is now the new consensus. It's scary. I will save that for later.

    Winners - Gay marriage (4-0) and drug legalization (2-1). So, that's something.

    Sorta Winner - Gary Johnson. He got 1.0% of the popular vote, the most by a Libertarian in quite a while. Expect to see him again in 2016, though without the benefit of being in a couple Republican debates.
     
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  23. That Phat Hat

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    This might be the first and last time I'm saying this, but I can cosign this post, at least until you get to whatever you're saving for later.
     
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  24. That Phat Hat

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