I have to pick Teves because he pretty much saved the Hammers from an inevitable relegation. Also very speedy. Torres is good though.
Coward? I predicted a convincing win a week before the game. Why wouldn't I? The games are always tight but we've beaten Liverpool for the last 2 or 3 years in the league every time. I have seen nothing this year from either side to suggest otherwise and made my prediction accordingly. I suggest you check out the Man Utd/Liverpool thread before you go making judgemental statements about people football opinions. I predicted 3-0. I just didn't think it would so one sided when it came.
http://itv.forum.football365.com/in...art=0&rid=&S=596e30107bf868f0664b0afdcedbef47 Second post down, shoe-shine. That's me. I'll quote it for you:
...errrrrrr.......... why the hell would anyone suggest Tevez, Rooney or Carrick have hit poor form??
Well...errrrr...i didnt make that post yesterday. Dont know why your quoting a post i made a few weeks ago.
oh yeah good point. i was just reading throught he whole thread for the first time without paying attention to when posts were made. but anyhow, were Tevez, Rooney, and Carrick really playing badly a few weeks ago? i think they have generally been on fire all season. There was the Portsmouth game, i guess. I would vote for Torres, at the moment he looks like he's guaranteed to score in every game, and his effect on the flow of a game by his mere presence is a huge bonus for Liverpool and unsettling for the opposition. Liverpool are clearly much more dangerous with Torres than they were without him - although 4th is still the best they can hope for, because EVERY other team in the top half of the Prem has improved significantly just like Liverpool. Everton, Villa, and Arsenal being prime examples. That said, Tevez has also been excellent, and has shown that Man U simply don't need to play with an out and out striker at all, a bit like Barcelona. In fact, I would argue that that having that type of player in their lineup would have an adverse effect on their performances. When Saha plays, he is often more advanced than Rooney, Tevez, or Ronaldo typically are, but even he gets involved with their overall play much more than you would normally expect a striker to do. If they were to play such a striker, who and what would they sacrifice in order to make way for him? The team would inevitably be weakened.
An interesting point that. As a Utd follower I think we could possibly use a new striker but I see the point you're making. Sometimes we look blunt. As if we have too many chefs and not enough waiters delivering plates to tables, if you get the example. Rooney is not the finisher he needs to be and a player like Torres would certainly benefit from the service afforded him by Rooney, Tevez and Ronaldo. However, we ditched Van Nistelrooy for a reason. Maybe the deep-lying striker system is one that Fergie had in mind, like Barceloa did. But then, Rooney is not as good a finisher as Eto'o is......
yeah what's up with Rooney's finishing at the moment? he has one of the best shots i've ever seen but seems to fluff it in front of goal this season - bizzarre considering some of the awesome strikes he has hit in previous seasons. having said that i've never felt goalscoring is one of Rooney's main strengths as a player. although a player of his talent could [and perhaps should] easily bag 15-20 a season as a matter of principle.
......maybe not but Ronaldo, Rooney, Tevez, Giggs, Scholes, etc etc are as prolific as Eto'o, Ronaldinho, Messi, Deco etc etc are as a whole. I'm starting to think that the 'goalscorer' is soon going to become another one of those outdated, specialist positions that is only ever used by teams who have someone so devastatingly prolific [Torres, van Nistelrooy] that their talents cannot be ignored despite the fact they usually contribute little else to the team. Think how prolific players like Ronaldinho, Ronaldo, Lampard, Cahill all are despite the fact they are traditionally considered more midfield players than forwards. I reckon this is a pattern that will continue to evolve to the point where 'strikers' are commonly seen as unnecessary; perhaps within the next 6 or 7 years. Total football mate. Everyone else is 40 years behind the Dutch. In fact, Eto'o himself is far more than just a goalscorer.
I remember a game 3 or 4 seasons ago (possibly vs Sevilla and Daniel Alves) he played as a LW where his primary role was to 'tag' Alves and limit his effectiveness and this is still one of the best games ive ever seen by him. This game showed me how much more he offered than just goalscoring. He is in the top 3 strikers in the world and even this season, with limited preparation and injuries, ACN etc, he has still bagged something like 12 goals in 12 games in La Liga and has played well in a few CL games.
I think your traditional "number 9 " is a devastating player if you can get your hands on one. Torres, Inzaghi, Owen and RVN are examples of these and are priceless to their teams. Players that seem to be more popular with sides these days are physcially powerful players like Adebayor, Drogba, Berbatov, Toni etc. Players who aren't that quick, but can play up alone and still create real problems. We don't have these players though. Maybe a more evenly distirbuted spread of goals between Ronaldo, Rooney, Tevez, Nani etc is a better way forward for us. The one and only problem with a player like Torres at Liverpool and RVN at RM is, if you can stop that player, then you can make life very difficult for the team trying to score goals. We stopped Torres and after that there was little threat to our goal. Problem solved, from Utd's point of view. Just a theory.
true the way we approach games too hinders torres, when we play cautious Torres really is on his own. United didnt stop torres in the 3-0 win, they stopped his supply, gerrard was a spectator even before the sending off.
both different players. i would like Torres at United and i'm sure Liverpool fans would like Tevez at Anfield
I would only like Tevez at Liverpool if we could have him with Torres...but i wouldnt want to replace Torres with Tevez
