"Teams Patrice Evra Hasn't Lied to the FA About" - OTT 20 [R]

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Just Patrice Evra's heart.

 

Re: Teams Patrice Evra Hasn't Lied to the FA About - OTT 20

With a title like that, there's nothing to talk about except maybe the New Jersey Metrostars.

 

Re: Teams Patrice Evra Hasn't Lied to the FA About - OTT 20

lol great title. My suggestion woulda been:

"Teams with managers who pay their taxes...minus Spurs - OTT 20"

 

Re: Teams Patrice Evra Hasn't Lied to the FA About - OTT 20

This title is friggin' brilliant!

 

Henry scores a last gasp winner against Sunderland and helps the Gunners leapfrog Newcastle to go even w/ Chelsea.

Is that Sunderland's first home loss since O'Neill took over?

 

And Chelsea fails again, losing 2-0 at Everton. It's astonishing that, poor as they've been, they're still level on points for fourth.

 

Yeh, Pienaar and some guy named Stracqualursi..??? Scored for the bitters.
Where Meireles and Torres score a yellow each.
Let me guess, Meireles for pressing to hard and Torres for petulence.

 

Spurs up 3-0 arseholeohcuto and a brace from Saha after25 minutes" we will end the day still four points from fourth.

 

Wow! Saha remembered where the goal is.

 

And there go Spurs with 4 and it's not half time.

 

Ends 5-0

 

Looks like Frimpong has been busy today. Two tweets:

 

Pong. One of my mothers fav. words for an old smelly fart..!

 

Wishing a torn ACL on anyone is "intelligent?" I'm just standing up for my player.

And this whole Evra/Suarez thing is stupid. We have video proof that Suarez called him a "negrito" I have to ask any father here if they would be proud/happy is their son went into school and called a kid "negrito" I don't care what club you support...that's all this boils down to. It's the year 2012, I hope we've moved past racist remarks. You can yellow card me and whatever, but seriously, as human beings, aren't we above calling people "negrito?"

 

The fact that you think the word Luis used is "negrito" shows how little you've researched the topic. Go read the whole report like we did. You'll see why we argue about it.

Luis called Evra "negro". Not "a negro". "Negro". To summarize part of the report, one of the points of contention is that linguistics experts researched and analyzed what was said and how each party claimed to have interpreted what was said. The experts failed to come to a definitive conclusion. They said it basically came down to "If Luis said it the way that he says he said it, he's innocent. If he said it the way that Evra says he said it, he's guilty."

Confusing, yes. Controversial, yes. Objective, no.

But nowhere does it say that Luis Suarez used the word "negrito". If you want to defend your player, then that's fair. But if you want to debate with us this racism topic (and we'd rather not, we've exhausted all kinds of debate on it, look through our threads), then go read the report first.

 

He's not my player. Number one, I'm not the coach, number 2, I'm an Arsenal supporter. But I know that there are 20 other words Saurez could have chosen instead of the word he decided upon. Again...I work with 8 people from Central/South America...if you shout the word "negro" "Negro" or "negrito" you get a look that makes you think twice about saying that word again.

 

I meant Frimpong. I apologize for the confusion.

All I'm saying is that it's not as simple as you make it out to be. If it was then there wouldn't have been a hearing and there wouldn't be a 115-page document out there attempting to cover the FA's collective ass.

 

Really? I play with South Americans/Uruguayans regularly and they refer to black players/friends like that all the time without any incident. So which is it?

 

Enlighten me.

 

Right and for those arguing note TPK's home address. I have no idea what his race or color is,but living in Nairobi it's not likely he hates Africans or people with black skin. And he probably has little use for others who do. He read the report an he backs Suarez.

 

I'm glad we get dragged into this again

I'd like to be absolutely cordial, and I do hope you appreciate and respect my advise.

We'll begin with the "Negre/Neg" French/Creole explanation I used in this board some time before

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haitian_Creole_language#N.C3.A8g_and_blan

The words sound exactly the same (or nearly so, depending on accent) yet mean two entirely different things. It shows that words that may contain racial overtones, in a historical context, but can erased over time in a specific lexicon.

In many latin countries where race is less of an issue due to tremendous parts of the population being mixed race, words like 'moreno' or 'negro' can lose their racial connotation. As one of the Liverpool players pointed, its like calling someone 'blondie' or 'ginger'. As whites are the majority, referring to someone by specific traits isn't hateful. Of course, there can be connotation that would deign abuse, but commonly not.

The thing is, the FA looked at things specifically from their white post-colonial perspective, and gave no thought to foreign nuances. To a white, the comparison between calling someone 'negro' and 'blondie' sounds absurd and ignorant. But to someone whose grown up outside these conceived notions of white guilt, whats the difference between someone's skin tone and hair tone?

I can go further with some other points I'd made before, but why don't we just stop there. I'm getting very tired of the subject constantly being brought up. Maybe we can make a sticky, "Guide to Luis Suarez's Use of 'Negro'/'Negrito'"

 

And put a 'Mandatory' sticker on it, and ban anyone else who brings it up.