Team News Discussion Thread Vol. VII [R]

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  1. KFofB

    KFofB Member

    Oct 31, 2007
    Mittelfeld
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  2. odd1234

    odd1234 Member

    Mar 2, 2011
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
  3. PaoloFCB

    PaoloFCB Member+

    Mar 22, 2011
    Roma-Italia
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
  4. Equilibrium

    Equilibrium Member+

    Sep 21, 2007
    None of your busines
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
  5. Hendrik

    Hendrik Member+

    Aug 27, 2005
    Deutschland
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    Boateng and intelligent decision making mentioned in the same sentence. Okay.

    Let's look at the stats

    Boateng-Bads:
    FC Bayern - Borussia Mönchengladbach 0:1
    VfL Wolfsburg - FC Bayern 0:1
    FC Bayern - SC Freiburg 7:0
    FC Schalke 04 - FC Bayern 0:2

    Hannover 96 - FC Bayern 2:1
    FC Bayern - Borussia Dortmund 0:1

    DvB-Bads:
    FC Bayern - Hamburger SV 5:0
    1. FC Kaiserslautern - FC Bayern 0:3
    FC Bayern - Bayer 04 Leverkusen 3:0
    1899 Hoffenheim - FC Bayern 0:0
    FC Bayern - Hertha BSC 4:0

    During the 8-game clean sheet streak, DvB-Bad was the CB pairing in 5 of those games. This streak coincidentally ended with Boateng getting sent off against Hannover. Furthermore he was at fault for Gladbach's and Dortmund's winning goals.

    The article fails to mentioned Boateng's weaknesses. Reading the article, you'd think Boateng is the perfect centerback and it's a crime to start the "slow, slumbering giant" van Buyten and Bads over him.
     
  6. humin12

    humin12 Member+

    Sep 20, 2008
    Ferguson, Missouri
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I think we can all just agree that Badstuber is the odd man out here? :p I mean , he's flying under the radar of our hate ffs. Why can't we just put Boateng with Van Buyten and be done with it?
     
  7. eissman

    eissman Member+

    Feb 5, 2004
    Illinois
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I have suspected Badstuber for months now.

    As I have repeated ad nausea, when DVB gets caught higher up the field, and Badstuber is exposed as the lone back, it is a almost certain we will get scored upon.

    This is the basis of my premise that we need a CB that can simply show the recovery speed necessary to get back and help once beaten.

    Classic example is BM's 3rd goal... sure it was a great pass that hit a player coming from an on-side position into the open space (Reus to Hermann), but you can't tell me that with Neuer advancing off his line, there wasn't enough time for someone (Lahm is my target on this one since he was farthest away, had been caught ball watching, and thus had the best angle to help support and defend the line) to get back to slide away the eventual goal.

    Oh... wait... there wasn't in fact enough time... because we employ two total donkeys at CB whose collective speed might match that of Olic.

    EDIT:
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    Bottom Line
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    All the statistics in the world cannot prevent the glaring deficiency we have in lack of speed with the two CB's. Eventually, it will break down, and as we found out in the CL final a few years back, it always breaks down in the most crucial of moments!!!

    I simply wish FO could get it right and sign us some proper depth in the position.

    And I am still in bewilderment that Bads-DVB is the preferred pairing for our past two coaches now. :confused:
     
  8. albert_mk87

    albert_mk87 Member+

    Aug 27, 2008
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    DVB was jogging back when Gladbach scored the 3rd goal when Reus stopped for 2,3 seconds he wasn't even trying to sprint to get back in position
     
  9. humin12

    humin12 Member+

    Sep 20, 2008
    Ferguson, Missouri
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Even Alessandro Nesta wouldn't have recovered from that pass and have expected Neuer to clean his shit up.
     
  10. SoccerMIGermany

    SoccerMIGermany Member+

    Feb 9, 2007
    OC
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    As I remember it, Bayern was playing a much deeper line in the early part of the season with all those clean sheets and people here were complaining that we did not get forward enough. We were pairing Schweinsteiger and Gustavo in the center with Gustavo very much playing a DM role, which also made our attack very left sided with the lack of link-up between Gustavo and Muller. Lots of people were unhappy that we were squeaking out 1-0 wins against weaker sides with all the offensive star power we had on hand.

    Our defense began to struggle when we began to click on offense and the line pushed higher. At the same time we started to swap the defense around as Boateng picked up cards and Heynckes seemed to lose faith in Rafinha.

    I really wonder how much of this is the personnel and how much is just that since the offense clicked and started attacking everyone drifted much higher and our backs just can't cope with this as well. I do think it may be that simple.
     
  11. odd1234

    odd1234 Member

    Mar 2, 2011
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Lahm was almost completely at fault for that third goal. Buy Van buyten did very little to prevent it.
     
  12. PaoloFCB

    PaoloFCB Member+

    Mar 22, 2011
    Roma-Italia
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    ......seems 4 somebody that every goal we kassierte is cause van Buyten, is it possible????????:confused:
     
  13. KFofB

    KFofB Member

    Oct 31, 2007
    Mittelfeld
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    [LINEUP-4-5-1]Gomez,Ribery,Robben,Piggy,Kroos,Gustavo,Lahm,Badstuber, Boateng, Rafihna, Butt[/LINEUP-4-5-1]

    I favor Kroos over Mueller as a personal preference right now...but the rest basically picks itself based on the 1st half of the season.
     
  14. eissman

    eissman Member+

    Feb 5, 2004
    Illinois
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    By Goal....


    Goal #1 (Reus) --- completely Neuer's fault. Need we say more.

    Goal #2 (Hermann) --- Bayern was in decent position to be able to absorb the attack, however Lahm was caught up in attack. Badstuber was entirely too close to DVB who was nearest the ball of the two CB's. Badstuber being soo close to DVB allowed for a gap to open up on Badstuber's left, in behind Tymo (who was recovering straight back, likely thinking Badstuber would cover more of the left), and Lahm caught having to recover from a deeper attackig position. Hermann exploited that space and a great pass from Henke (??) split 3 players and left Lahm looking the fool. In actuality the Bayern line was held properly, but spacing of the backline was what killed them. Had Badstuber simply been about 10 meters more to the left of DVB, Henke's pass would have had to split DVB-Bads instead, therefore playing it more on a angle to Neuer's feet and area. Instead it allowed for a simple pass to eliminate technically 4 defenders. Lahm completely stopped running after Hermann received the ball, and Badstuber had not a chance in hell to recover as he is the slowest CB in the Bundesliga.

    Goal #3 (Hermann) --- the first problem was the ball was never taken away from Reus, and he was allowed to drift back facing his own goal with the ball into open space without any sort of challenge. This allowed him time to look up and see Hermann on the run. Hermann's run came from Lahm/Badstuber side, and was angled perfectly with just the right speed to split the backs. DVB never stepped in to deny Reus's pass, and no DM was in sight to help this either. Lahm stopped to hold the Bayern offside line, but the start of the run was deep enough to create problems. Once the line was penetrated, there was easily 10-15 meters of space for Hermann to then advance 1v1 vs Neuer, who came out to narrow down the space. Neuer did well, even though I felt he exposed his near post yet again a bit too much (what is with him getting scored on near post this season?!!!), but he did advance enough to allow for any defender to sprint to the goalline and protect it last minute. No one did and Hermann simply had the easy chip to Neuer's nearside for the decisive goal. As Lahm was beaten on the run, and as I have seen him bail us out in the past, I completely expected a run from out captain to save the day, but nothing.
    Was it entirely his fault? No, but I felt he of all people in the final moment could have provided us with the last ditch effort to save it off the line.

    DVB was no where in a position to make that run. Badstuber can as he hasn't the speed. Boateng was the one who allowed Reus to have the ball to begin with, perhaps he could have pursued, but didn't.
     
  15. eissman

    eissman Member+

    Feb 5, 2004
    Illinois
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    If we learned one thing, perhaps Jupp learned that the Mueller at AM, Kroos-Schweini CM combo is a doomed failure.

    Not a fan.

    At all.
     
  16. Equilibrium

    Equilibrium Member+

    Sep 21, 2007
    None of your busines
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    ???

    They won 2-0 and Wolfsburg only had one chance all match which Lahm gave to them. While the game they lost 3-1, Tymo played over Ribery and wasn't that type of formation. Have you forgotten your meds you old git? :p
     
  17. eissman

    eissman Member+

    Feb 5, 2004
    Illinois
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Not all you young twat. :)

    I wasn't referring to the defensive side of things. The attack was lifeless until the 2nd half. Specifically after we scored. Mueller at AM is not happening. Kroos playing soo deep with Schweini isn't preferred, for me personally.

    Put Kroos where he was so effective all of the first half of th season at AM.

    Mueller needs bench time. I am beyond my frustration point with him.
     
  18. Equilibrium

    Equilibrium Member+

    Sep 21, 2007
    None of your busines
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    I thought you confused the games, fair enough. I agree. :p
     
  19. eissman

    eissman Member+

    Feb 5, 2004
    Illinois
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Wouldn't be the first time I pull an Alzheimer on you. ;)
     
  20. albert_mk87

    albert_mk87 Member+

    Aug 27, 2008
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
  21. SoccerMIGermany

    SoccerMIGermany Member+

    Feb 9, 2007
    OC
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Congrats to Daniel van Buyten and his partner on the birth of their son. Good news for him while he's making friends with the physios.
     
  22. Hendrik

    Hendrik Member+

    Aug 27, 2005
    Deutschland
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    Apparently Tymo played as RB in training today because Boa and Robben don't play well together. :confused:
     
  23. Equilibrium

    Equilibrium Member+

    Sep 21, 2007
    None of your busines
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    Heynckes is such a failure in so many decisions, good thing he has a great organization and defensive platform for players to always fall back on...
     
  24. AllReD

    AllReD Member+

    Oct 26, 2005
    @ The Cocaine and Herbal Viagra Expo
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    Well I'd rather use Tymo or anyone there for this one game than break up Bad/Boa again. Don't know if there much he can do, but this goes back to just piss poor squad planning to begin with.

    Every year we seem to go in with just the bare minimum and then which sh1t like this comes up...SURPRISE!! :eek:
     
  25. Bayern4Life

    Bayern4Life Member+

    Aug 22, 2004
    Boateng and Robben not playing well together? What else is fucking new, sherlock? Put Robben as a DM and see how he plays there. Boateng's position should NEVER be RB, period. Heynckes is really starting to irk me. I thought this was Rafinha's "chance," since that 6'6 liability of a donkey got hurt.
     

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