Suspending a match for lightning/thunder

Discussion in 'Referee' started by Dr. Gamera, Jun 15, 2012.

  1. iron81

    iron81 Member+

    Jan 6, 2011
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    BTW, I terminated another game yesterday after making everyone wait 30 minutes. My schedule was tight, but the coaches were initally OK with shortened halves. Then we got more lightning. This is annoying.
     
  2. Scrabbleship

    Scrabbleship Member

    May 24, 2012
    I'll let Mother Nature know you aren't happy with the way she is keeping the planet from turning into one giant volcano.
     
  3. IllinoisRef

    IllinoisRef Member

    Jul 6, 2011
    Club:
    Flamengo Rio Janeiro
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    Nisl says "all efforts should be made to play the game". Also once the game starts the referee only should be making the decision. I'd not listen to coaches "good intentions" parents with a smartphone.
    You maître call after waiting the 30 mins most leagues tell you to wait.
     
  4. JimEWrld

    JimEWrld Member

    Jun 20, 2012
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    Exactly. Ultimately, it is the referees decision once the game has started. I had four games on Saturday. The first was delayed about an hour for lightning and we came back and finished off the last 30 minutes. My second game was delayed starting for over an hour because of lightning. That one had to get played. This meant the last two started around an hour late as well.

    Another thing to consider is where are these teams coming from? That second game for me had a team from Detroit playing. We weren't going to cancel the game or terminate unless we had no choice. I had a similar set-up Sunday morning with the wind and a team from Columbus. Sunday night, when the rain and wind hit, I was supposed to have a game between a team from Oak Brook and a team from Downers Grove. They were about 15 minutes apart and they decided to reschedule. For delays, it always smart to keep where the teams are coming from in the back of your mind. It can make the justification to wait it out or abandon the game a little easier.
     
  5. iron81

    iron81 Member+

    Jan 6, 2011
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    I know, that's my problem.

    It's great that NISL has relatively clear guidance in favor of waiting, but I've never centered a NISL game. For YSSL and less frequently IWSL, I don't think I've ever done a game for a team traveling more than one hour, which would argue in favor of terminating.

    I don't think it's a good idea to make teams for future games wait because any of the participants in an earlier game wants to wait two hours for lightning clear. The late game participants aren't going to know why the ref or other team is late and YSSL and IWSL have strict rules for declaring forfeits if the other team is late and does not allow a game to proceed without a certified ref. OTOH, those two leagues have no policy on a wait/terminate decision.
     
  6. bainsey

    bainsey Member

    Aug 9, 2012
    Maine
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Here in Maine, we have a strict rule about lightning in high school soccer (fall sport): If we see a lightning bolt, whistle immediately, and the game cannot restart until 30 minutes after the last bolt.

    Last Friday, I was in South Carolina on vacation, and took in a pair of high school games (girls, then boys). The three-man crew pretty much ran the game like a USSF match: time kept on the field, etc. Solid mechanics and work overall. The girls' game got done just fine.

    Dark clouds rolled in during the boys' first half, same crew. Within the last 10 minutes, we saw lightning. Kept playing. Another bolt, more visible, kept playing. Three or four more bolts, no whistles, half ended. The CR decided to get the second half started quickly. (I distinctly heard an AR tell someone, "It isn't my decision.") Another bolt, no whistle. Rain comes pouring down, three tweets, shake hands, everyone high-tails it off the field.

    We would have been raked over the coals in these parts had we not stopped the game immediately after the first bolt. Do you enforce this rule (if you have it) strictly in your areas?
     
  7. Cliveworshipper

    Cliveworshipper Member+

    Dec 3, 2006
    Oregon isn't a particularly lightning prone area, but these rules are strictly enforced for prep ( and in one case, a college game I was at)

    From the OSAA handbook. http://osaa.org/officials/1112AOH.htm

    Stricter proceedures have been proposed.

    When I lived in Maryland, a kid at a Lacrosse game was killed by lightning when kids took shelter under a tree.

    http://news.google.com/newspapers?n...qxdAAAAIBAJ&sjid=e10NAAAAIBAJ&pg=2064,3748935
     
  8. Sport Billy

    Sport Billy Moderator
    Staff Member

    May 25, 2006
    Just to be clear.
    The AR was wrong.
    If your CR is doing something you feel is putting safety at risk, you force a stoppage.
    I don't care if that means holding your flag up and walking towards center or walking off the pitch.

    Now, I recommend holding the flag up and call him over, but you do whatever you have to.

    Not only is the CR putting people at a safety risk, you, as part of the crew, are deviating from industry practice and putting yourself at a liability risk.

    No game is so important that it trumps either of those two.
     
    SA14mars, RIP SJ Clash and dadman repped this.
  9. Cliveworshipper

    Cliveworshipper Member+

    Dec 3, 2006
    Besides which, I'm not standing in an open field with lightning striking.
     
  10. chwmy

    chwmy Member+

    Feb 27, 2010
    I sometimes wonder what I should do when I am a spectator and this happens. Make a scene and show up the referee crew? If not, pull my son off the field and have him be utterly embarrassed, more so if I'm the only one who noticed the lightning?
     
  11. Sport Billy

    Sport Billy Moderator
    Staff Member

    May 25, 2006
    I've embarrassed my son by pulling him before.
    When we got home, he wasn't happy.
    I told him I understood that it is embarrassing, but that it is the job of adults to protect children and the adults weren't doing their job. I'd rather embarrass him than bury him.
    He understood.
     
    RefLI, SA14mars, dadman and 5 others repped this.
  12. Cliveworshipper

    Cliveworshipper Member+

    Dec 3, 2006
    Not half as annoying as getting into a suit and going to a funeral. And you don't get paid for that.
     
    dadman repped this.
  13. nsa

    nsa Member+

    New England Revolution
    United States
    Feb 22, 1999
    Notboston, MA
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Not if it's a metal flag. ;)
     
  14. Law5

    Law5 Member+

    Mar 24, 2005
    Beaverton OR
    Doing a game, in Oregon, a boys' varsity dual, some years ago. No particular signs or symptoms of a storm, but a night game. With no warning, there's a lightning ground strike maybe a mile away, behind me. Just about soiled my diaper. I mean, it was LOUD! We got to shelter, home team got inside, visiting team's coach kept his boys on the field 'staying warm.' Fortunately, there was no further lightning and we were able to resume play in 30 minutes. Put the coach's behavior in the game report, which went to his AD. Never saw that coach again.
     
    RIP SJ Clash and dadman repped this.
  15. sjquakes08

    sjquakes08 Member+

    Jun 16, 2007
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Usually by the time there is lightning I'm sick of being out in the rain anyway, so damn right I'm gonna enforce that rule strictly.
     
    RIP SJ Clash repped this.
  16. Yale

    Yale Member

    Nov 26, 2012
    :eek:

    Given that coach's apparent lack of survival instincts, that's not too surprising.
     
  17. refinDC

    refinDC Member

    Aug 7, 2012
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    If you're the only one who noticed the lightning -- time for you to bring it to someone's attention.It doesn't have to be a scene. If you're a coach - tell the AR. If you're a parent in a spot where you can tell the coach, do that. If not - loudly saying something like "I think I saw lightning" should do the trick.

    Lightning isn't a primary thing officials are looking for while the ball is in play (although I have pregamed it for the trail AR on days where it might be an issue and the players behind the ball likely won't be)

    I know if I had seen no signs of a storm, and a parent said they'd seen lighting I'd doubt it, but if there was a storm moving in (and my sense was the parent was reasonable and knew what they were looking at), I'd take their word.

    Last summer when I knew we had a storm coming I told both coaches at halftime on a HS age rec game that if I had to stop the game, that would be it. The storm moved in so quickly, there was no lightning or thunder -- until well after I called the game. I thought we had another 10 minutes easy and then I could call the game and give everyone time to get to the cars -- I didn't realize this was a "derecho" (or know what one was until then). It was a parent running out from the bleachers because of an emergency alert on their phone about a tornado warning that let me know this was a storm moving far faster than a typical one in our area, and one that was much more powerful than a late afternoon thunderstorm.

    So I'll say again, although it was a different risk indicator in this situation - if you see lightning, and you know no one else did, bring it to someone's attention. Even if an official may not jump on it (we can't always believe everything a parent says) - that person should catch the next one. If you know what you saw, hopefully the officials will clear the field right away.
     
    dadman repped this.
  18. Gary V

    Gary V Member+

    Feb 4, 2003
    SE Mich.
    To the OP: So you waited around in the storm yourself to see when they'd stop play?
     
  19. fairplayforlife

    fairplayforlife Member+

    Mar 23, 2011
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I would have been long gone had I been in this situation and the crew decided to keep playing. I also would have suggested the teams follow my lead. How any person can let children which they are somewhat responsible for be endangered like this is a travesty.
     
  20. cleansheetbsc

    cleansheetbsc Member+

    Mar 17, 2004
    Club:
    --other--
    I'm gone after the first bolt. If no one else follows me, that is their problem.
     
  21. Tim11

    Tim11 Member

    Jan 26, 2013
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I never was a ref, but I used to be a lifeguard. People hated me for the fact that I went strictly by the 30 minute rule...even the owner of one of the places I worked at fought with me over it. The fact is there are stupid people out there, but you have to do what is best for everyone's safety.
     
    dadman, RIP SJ Clash and La Rikardo repped this.
  22. code1390

    code1390 Moderator
    Staff Member

    Nov 25, 2007
    Club:
    Tottenham Hotspur FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Ah, it must be spring. The annual lightning thread.
     
  23. nsa

    nsa Member+

    New England Revolution
    United States
    Feb 22, 1999
    Notboston, MA
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Should pro'ly be merged with the stickied lightning thread. :)
     
    BlackBart repped this.
  24. SouthernYank

    SouthernYank Member

    Sep 21, 2010
    In South Carolina we do have the "hear it or see it" 30 minute wait rule.
     
  25. Bubba Atlanta

    Bubba Atlanta Member+

    Mar 2, 2012
    Yep, Atlanta
    Club:
    Atlanta United FC
    Some things are simply not heard nor seen in SC. ;)
     

Share This Page