Supporters' Shield Race 2012(-2013)

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  1. henryo

    henryo Member+

    Jun 26, 2007
    Just a mid-week update through Sep-20, San Jose is leading the league with 57pts.

    D.C., Houston, RSL, L.A. and Columbus will be eliminated this weekend, if S.J. beat Seattle and they do not win their respective games.
    Code:
    1.Kansas City          12
    2.Chicago              11
    3.Seattle              9
    4.New York            7
    5.DC United            5
    6.Houston              4
    7.Real Salt Lake        4
    8.Los Angeles          4
    9.Columbus              3
    10.Vancoover            Eliminated (Week #28)
    11.Montreal            Eliminated (Week #28)
    12.Phialdelphia        Eliminated (Week #28)
    13.CD Chivas            Eliminated (Week #27)
    14.Portland            Eliminated (Week #26)
    15.FC Dallas            Eliminated (Week #26)
    16.Colorado            Eliminated (Week #26)
    17.New England          Eliminated (Week #26)
    18.Toronto              Eliminated (Week #25)
     
  2. firefan2001

    firefan2001 Member+

    Dec 27, 2000
    Oswego, Illinois
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    San Jose leads the league with 60pts

    Code:
    1.Chicago              8
    2.Kansas City          7
    3.Seattle              3
    4.New York             2
    5.DC United            2
    6.Real Salt Lake       1
    7.Los Angeles          1
    8.Houston              Eliminated (Week #29)
    9.Columbus             Eliminated (Week #29)
    10.Vancoover           Eliminated (Week #28)
    11.Montreal            Eliminated (Week #28)
    12.Phialdelphia        Eliminated (Week #28)
    13.CD Chivas           Eliminated (Week #27)
    14.Portland            Eliminated (Week #26)
    15.FC Dallas           Eliminated (Week #26)
    16.Colorado            Eliminated (Week #26)
    17.New England         Eliminated (Week #26)
    18.Toronto             Eliminated (Week #25)
     
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  3. henryo

    henryo Member+

    Jun 26, 2007
    Chicago/K.C. are the only remaining challengers now, and they are playing each other on Sep-28, which is good news for S.J., as one or both of them will drop points (and probably drop out of the race altogether).

    The rest may well be eliminated by the end of September, if S.J. win again in Week #30.

    L.A.'s reign as 2-time defending SS winners is certainly coming to an end...

     
  4. henryo

    henryo Member+

    Jun 26, 2007
  5. firefan2001

    firefan2001 Member+

    Dec 27, 2000
    Oswego, Illinois
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    San Jose leads the league with 61pts

    Code:
    1.Kansas City          6
    2.Chicago              4
    3.New York             1
    4.Seattle              0
    5.Real Salt Lake       0
    6.DC United            Eliminated (Week #30)
    7.Los Angeles          Eliminated (Week #30)
    8.Houston              Eliminated (Week #29)
    9.Columbus             Eliminated (Week #29)
    10.Vancoover           Eliminated (Week #28)
    11.Montreal            Eliminated (Week #28)
    12.Phialdelphia        Eliminated (Week #28)
    13.CD Chivas           Eliminated (Week #27)
    14.Portland            Eliminated (Week #26)
    15.FC Dallas           Eliminated (Week #26)
    16.Colorado            Eliminated (Week #26)
    17.New England         Eliminated (Week #26)
    18.Toronto             Eliminated (Week #25)
    Best that Seattle and Real Salt Lake could do is tie, but there's no way they get more goals than San Jose.
     
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  6. henryo

    henryo Member+

    Jun 26, 2007
    N.Y., Seattle & RSL are pretty much out, Chicago is on the brink too as the gap are too big to make up, even with the game in hand.

    Only K.C. is still in position to challenge for it... Essentially a 2-horse race at this juncture.
     
  7. henryo

    henryo Member+

    Jun 26, 2007
    Mid-week updates after Oct-3:
     
  8. henryo

    henryo Member+

    Jun 26, 2007
    San Jose leads the league with 64 points, another win will seal the SS:
    Code:
    1.Kansas City          2
    2.Chicago              Eliminated (Week #31)
    3.New York            Eliminated (Week #31)
    4.Seattle              Eliminated (Week #31)
    5.Real Salt Lake      Eliminated (Week #31)
    6.DC United            Eliminated (Week #30)
    7.Los Angeles          Eliminated (Week #30)
    8.Houston              Eliminated (Week #29)
    9.Columbus            Eliminated (Week #29)
    10.Vancoover          Eliminated (Week #28)
    11.Montreal            Eliminated (Week #28)
    12.Phialdelphia        Eliminated (Week #28)
    13.CD Chivas          Eliminated (Week #27)
    14.Portland            Eliminated (Week #26)
    15.FC Dallas          Eliminated (Week #26)
    16.Colorado            Eliminated (Week #26)
    17.New England        Eliminated (Week #26)
    18.Toronto            Eliminated (Week #25)
     
  9. aletheist

    aletheist Member+

    Nov 17, 2010
    Olathe, Kansas, USA
    Club:
    Sporting Kansas City
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    A draw would effectively do it, since SKC is not going to make up the Earthquakes' enormous lead in goals scored.
     
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  10. firefan2001

    firefan2001 Member+

    Dec 27, 2000
    Oswego, Illinois
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    San Jose leaders the league with 64pts

    Code:
    1.Kansas City          1
    2.Chicago              Eliminated (Week #31)
    3.New York             Eliminated (Week #31)
    4.Seattle              Eliminated (Week #31)
    5.Real Salt Lake       Eliminated (Week #31)
    6.DC United            Eliminated (Week #30)
    7.Los Angeles          Eliminated (Week #30)
    8.Houston              Eliminated (Week #29)
    9.Columbus             Eliminated (Week #29)
    10.Vancoover           Eliminated (Week #28)
    11.Montreal            Eliminated (Week #28)
    12.Phialdelphia        Eliminated (Week #28)
    13.CD Chivas           Eliminated (Week #27)
    14.Portland            Eliminated (Week #26)
    15.FC Dallas           Eliminated (Week #26)
    16.Colorado            Eliminated (Week #26)
    17.New England         Eliminated (Week #26)
    18.Toronto             Eliminated (Week #25)
     
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  11. firefan2001

    firefan2001 Member+

    Dec 27, 2000
    Oswego, Illinois
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    San Jose Earthquakes 2012 supporters' shield winners......

    Code:
    1.Kansas City          Eliminated (week #32)
    2.Chicago              Eliminated (Week #31)
    3.New York             Eliminated (Week #31)
    4.Seattle              Eliminated (Week #31)
    5.Real Salt Lake       Eliminated (Week #31)
    6.DC United            Eliminated (Week #30)
    7.Los Angeles          Eliminated (Week #30)
    8.Houston              Eliminated (Week #29)
    9.Columbus             Eliminated (Week #29)
    10.Vancoover           Eliminated (Week #28)
    11.Montreal            Eliminated (Week #28)
    12.Phialdelphia        Eliminated (Week #28)
    13.CD Chivas           Eliminated (Week #27)
    14.Portland            Eliminated (Week #26)
    15.FC Dallas           Eliminated (Week #26)
    16.Colorado            Eliminated (Week #26)
    17.New England         Eliminated (Week #26)
    18.Toronto             Eliminated (Week #25)
     
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  12. henryo

    henryo Member+

    Jun 26, 2007
    Congrats to San Jose!

    Any idea when will the trophy be presented to Frank & Team?
     
  13. henryo

    henryo Member+

    Jun 26, 2007
    MLS Supporters’ Shield Still Has Few Guarantees and Little Significance

    http://majorleaguesoccertalk.com/20...l-has-few-guarantees-and-little-significance/

    [​IMG]

     
  14. RafaLarios

    RafaLarios Member+

    Oct 2, 2009
    Medellín
    Club:
    Atletico Nacional
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    Bolded mine....I stopped reading right there.... really.
     
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  15. ceezmad

    ceezmad Member+

    Mar 4, 2010
    Chicago
    Club:
    Chicago Red Stars
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    But wait isn't called the Leagues Shield? S.S. for short. :p
     
  16. henryo

    henryo Member+

    Jun 26, 2007
  17. henryo

    henryo Member+

    Jun 26, 2007
    Updated the List of MLS clubs' post-season droughts for Supporters' Shield at Wiki:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_MLS_club_post-season_droughts#MLS_Supporters.27_Shield

    Club Last Supporters' Shield won Supporters'
    Shield drought
    Colorado Rapids never (club entered MLS in 1996) 17 seasons
    New York Red Bulls never (club entered MLS in 1996) 17 seasons
    New England Revolution never (club entered MLS in 1996,
    runners-up in 2005)
    17 seasons
    FC Dallas never (club entered MLS in 1996,
    runners-up in 2006)
    17 seasons
    Sporting Kansas City 2000 12 seasons
    Chicago Fire 2003 9 seasons
    Chivas USA never (club entered MLS in 2005,
    runners-up in 2007)
    8 seasons
    Real Salt Lake never (club entered MLS in 2005,
    runners-up in 2010)
    8 seasons
    Houston Dynamo never (club entered MLS in 2006,
    runners-up in 2008)
    7 seasons
    Toronto FC never (club entered MLS in 2007) 6 seasons
    D.C. United 2007 5 seasons
    Seattle Sounders FC never (club entered MLS in 2009,
    runners-up in 2011)
    4 seasons
    Columbus Crew 2009 3 seasons
    Philadelphia Union never (club entered MLS in 2010) 3 seasons
    Portland Timbers never (club entered MLS in 2011) 2 seasons
    Vancouver Whitecaps FC never (club entered MLS in 2011) 2 seasons
    Montreal Impact never (club entered MLS in 2012) 1 season
    Los Angeles Galaxy 2011 1 season
    San Jose Earthquakes 2012 0 seasons*

    * Through 2012 season.
    * Does not count the two years the Earthquakes were on hiatus.
     
  18. henryo

    henryo Member+

    Jun 26, 2007
    Yes, the season is still early, though 2013 could be year to see the first D1 regular season champions from Canada, after two 2nd-places by the Caps in '78/'83...

     
  19. henryo

    henryo Member+

    Jun 26, 2007
  20. henryo

    henryo Member+

    Jun 26, 2007
  21. Inca Roads

    Inca Roads Member+

    Nov 22, 2012
    Club:
    Sporting Kansas City
    Alright, so only once did the team with the longest winning streak at the beginning take the Shield. But it looks like every last one of them qualified for the MLS Cup, right?
     
  22. henryo

    henryo Member+

    Jun 26, 2007
    Yes, which means Montreal most likely will... as well.

    And the team you mentioned would be L.A. in 2010, at 4 wins.

    Both Seattle / Chivas USA had 3 wins each too in 2009, but ended 4th / 6th respectively.
     
  23. henryo

    henryo Member+

    Jun 26, 2007
    A quick look at how the team(s) with the most opening wins (MOW) have fared previously:

    Season Team(s) with MOW Record Final Overall Position(s) / Teams
    1996 L.A. 8-0-0 2nd/10
    1997 Tampa Bay 3-0-0 3rd/10
    1998 D.C.,
    Chicago
    2-0-0 2nd,
    3rd/12
    1999 Chicago 3-0-0 4th/12
    2000 K.C.,
    Tampa Bay,
    L.A.
    2-0-0 1st,
    4th,
    5th/12
    2001 Miami 2-0-0 1st/12
    2002 L.A. 2-0-0 1st/10
    2003 S.J.,
    K.C.
    1-0-0 2nd,
    4th/10
    2004 N.Y. 2-0-0 6th/10
    2005 D.C.,
    Dallas,
    K.C.(*),
    Columbus(*)
    1-0-0 3rd,
    5th,
    7th,
    10th/12
    2006 K.C.(*) 3-0-0 11th/12
    2007 Chivas,
    Chicago,
    K.C.,
    Colorado(*)
    1-0-0 2nd,
    7th,
    8th,
    10th/13
    2008 K.C. 2-0-0 6th/14
    2009 Seattle,
    Chivas
    3-0-0 4th,
    6th/15
    2010 L.A. 4-0-0 1st/16
    2011 R.S.L. 4-0-0 3rd/18
    2012 K.C. 7-0-0 2nd/19
    2013 Montreal 4-0-0
    (as at Mar-23
    & counting)
    ??/19
    Total 29 teams
    (excl. '13 Montreal)
    50-0-0
    (i.e. Avg. ~3-0-0
    over 17 seasons,
    excl. '13 Montreal)

    (*) Missed Playoffs

    Summary:

    1. In the past 17 seasons, the team with MOW have won the Supporters' Shield on 4 occasions (2000-02 & 10). That's about 23.53% or slightly less than a quarter chance.​

    2. Going by the total number of leading teams (28, excl. '13 Montreal), the odds became 4/28 = 14.23%.​

    3. The longest MOW streak: 8-0-0 by L.A. in 1996. The shortest: 1-0-0 in 2003, 05 & 07. None of them won the SS...​

    4. All the leaders have made the playoffs, except K.C. (2005-06), Columbus (2006) & Colorado (2007).​

    5. K.C. have been leading the pack in 7 seasons, the most among all teams (L.A. is 2nd with 4), including 4-straight in 2005-08!!​

    6. The worst finish by a MOW leader was none other than K.C. of 2006, who ended-up in 11th-place out of 12 teams!!!​
     
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  24. henryo

    henryo Member+

    Jun 26, 2007
    Expanded the table to include the team(s) with the most opening wins and ties (MOWT), i.e. the longest unbeaten start, for cross-comparisons:

    Season Team(s)
    with MOW
    Record Final
    Overall
    Position(s)
    / Teams
    Teams(s)
    with MOWT
    (Longest
    Unbeaten
    Start)
    Record Final
    Overall
    Position(s)
    / Teams
    1996 L.A. 8-0-0 2nd/10 L.A. 10-0-2 2nd/10
    1997 Tampa Bay 3-0-0 3rd/10 D.C. 9-0-5 1st/10
    1998 D.C.,
    Chicago
    2-0-0 2nd,
    3rd/12
    L.A. 8-0-1 1st/10
    1999 Chicago 3-0-0 4th/12 Dallas 6-0-6 4th/10
    2000 K.C.,
    Tampa Bay,
    L.A.
    2-0-0 1st,
    4th,
    5th/12
    K.C. 10-0-2 1st/12
    2001 Miami 2-0-0 1st/12 Miami 2-0-0 1st/12
    2002 L.A. 2-0-0 1st/10 L.A. 2-0-2 1st/10
    2003 S.J.,
    K.C.
    1-0-0 2nd,
    4th/10
    S.J. 4-0-2 2nd/10
    2004 N.Y. 2-0-0 6th/10 L.A.,
    Dallas(*)
    2-0-2 3rd,
    8th/10
    2005 D.C.,
    Dallas,
    K.C.(*),
    Columbus(*)
    1-0-0 3rd,
    5th,
    7th,
    10th/12
    N.E. 7-0-4 2nd/12
    2006 K.C.(*) 3-0-0 11th/12 D.C.,
    Dallas
    3-0-2 1st,
    2nd/12
    2007 Chivas,
    Chicago,
    K.C.,
    Colorado(*)
    1-0-0 2nd,
    7th,
    8th,
    10th/13
    N.Y. 3-0-2 6th/13
    2008 K.C. 2-0-0 6th/14 Dallas(*) 2-0-2 11th/14
    2009 Seattle,
    Chivas
    3-0-0 4th,
    6th/15
    Chicago 5-0-6 5th/15
    2010 L.A. 4-0-0 1st/16 L.A. 10-0-2 1st/10
    2011 R.S.L. 4-0-0 3rd/18 R.S.L.,
    N.E.(*)
    4-0-0,
    1-0-3
    3rd,
    17th/18
    2012 K.C. 7-0-0 2nd/19 K.C. 7-0-0 2nd/19
    2013 Montreal 4-0-0
    (as at Mar-23
    & counting)
    ??/19 Montreal,
    L.A.
    4-0-0,
    2-0-1
    (as at Mar-23
    & counting)
    ??,
    ??/19
    Total 28 teams
    (excl. '13 Montreal)
    50-0-0
    (i.e. Avg. ~3-0-0
    over 17 seasons,
    excl. '13 Montreal)
    20 teams
    (excl. '13 Montreal, L.A.)
    93-0-40
    (i.e. Avg. ~5-0-2
    over 17 seasons,
    excl. '13 Montreal, L.A.)

    (*) Missed Playoffs

    Summary:

    1. In the past 17 seasons, the team with MOWT have won the Supporters' Shield on 7 occasions (97-98, 2000-02, 06 & 10). That's about 41.17%, much higer odds than the

    MOW teams (23.53%).

    2. Going by the total number of leading teams (20, excl. '13 Montreal), the odds became 7/20 = 35.00%, more than double of MOW teams too (14.23%).

    3. The longest MOWT streak: 9-0-5 by D.C. in 1997. The shortest: 2-0-0 by Miami in 2001. Both won the SS.

    4. All the MOWT leaders have made the playoffs, except Dallas (2004, 08) & N.E. (2011).

    5. L.A. have been the MOWT leaders in 5 seasons, the most among all teams. Dallas is 2nd with 4, though they managed to miss the playoffs twice in 2004 & 08!!

    6. The worst finish by a MOWT leader was N.E. of 2011, who ended-up at 17th-place out of 18 teams!!!
     
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  25. henryo

    henryo Member+

    Jun 26, 2007
    Following the loss to Dallas on Apr-13, L.A. (2-0-2) now share the longest opening streak without a loss in 2013 with Montreal (4-0-0) at 4 games each.

    From past stats, both teams would stand 85% chance (17/20 teams) making the playoffs.

    Let's see how they fare come the end of the season...
     

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