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Discussion in 'Bolivia' started by boliviankidd622, Jul 13, 2010.
I wonder if behind this there might be a plan to topple Chavez and cia....I mean it cites Rimba as a witness....
anyways, here's a note abot an interview w Chavez in respect to this:
I saw Rimba on Deporte Total. He didn't seem like he knew much and didn't accuse any player of not being of right age. he did say that if it is true. that we have to look at the parents and prosecute them properly.
I drop my 2 cents, ghetto style. THis is just a bunch of Bullshit pandering from unreliable sources. These accusations have been going on for more than a year now. First, with the U-17 NT team being accused of having overage players and to this day there has been no evidence of such players. Remember we're dealing with Bolivian media, which is about the most messed up new outlet there is. Come on, Our kids just won an Youth Olympic Tournament, you should throw them a big heartfelt homecoming. Naw ,naw instead you decide to make their accomplishments seem small and accuse them of cheating you're not just messing with one or two kids. the whole team is under fire.
the second accusation was After ONE OF OUR OWN, Samuel Galindo was being acquired by one of the most known clubs in the world, Arsenal. It was the Same prick that wrote the story on La Razon who again is writing about our u15 .I bet it was this same Lawyer who is supposedly looking into the latest U15 that presented Galindo's supposed "real" Passport to the media. What happened?no solid evidence,I'm sure that Arsenal did the bone scan. Galindo was still bought by Arsenal and is now playing in Spain.
So this has been going on even before this tournament. So it was no **********g surprise to me that it was going to happen to our U15. Douglas Cuenca's work as DT has become under scrutiny, the kids' accomplishments are being belittled by nothing but Hate. unnecessary hate. The Funny thing all this talk happens after the tournament and with out no ounce of evidence. everyone that had something to do with the U15 is being thrown under a bus.
As Bolivians, we always pride ourselves on our culture, our music, and that's our pride.we're unique, our land is unique and beautiful. But you know? I'm fed up with all the Haters that our country has. Unnecessary hatred and despise for the person next to you if he/she has accomplished something renowned. "la envidia es muy fea" In stead of giving the best homecoming to these bright future stars that will surely represent us in the Future, we throw all of them under a bus. I bet the first Bolivian in space will the same trouble. Like is said, I'm fed up with this. We ourselves under value everything we have. This is way Los Kjarkas aren't playing in the Hollywood bowl (where they could play with good promotion) but rather in some hotel for some promoter trying to make a "quick buck". Our Tourism, well we already know. I just had to vent... there s reason you see a bunch micros and taxi with those stupid "envidia" stickers on them.
Completely agree wiht you man. There is a weird 'aura(sp)' of hate amongst bolivians.
Many I've met will think the worst of you until you talk to them.
But back on topic to our players, if they indeed are cheating their age, they will get caught when they move on to bigger facilities, and FIFA will really step in. Why screw things up for our whole country wiht a few accusations? Let it come to light when it DOES happen abroad, and thats when we shit bricks.
Or is that not the right approach?
yeah you're not the only one, i get the aura too sometimes. but We bolivians are pretty good to get along with (esp. here at Bigsoccer) i think.It's more of an inter-bolivian thing.
I think that Either before the whole tournament starts or after in the long run is the best way to make these types of accusation. Just wait until you have Solid evidence to run yo mouth. because if you don't have evidence, "yo ass is writing checks you can't afford" I had a feeling that this Age cheating thing might happen. maybe its my fault...
but what if it is true..whats your standing point then?
it should be looked into ASAP..these types of things cant come to us in the future and bite our fat As*es!
theyll take away our medal and our rep will be ruined worse than it already is
part of me feels this is true...if it never happened why would it pop up in the first place
boy i really hope this is all blasphemy
Apparently its a big rumor that its happened alot through tahuichi.... but it isnt just the problem with our soccer.... its our friggin' country!
Faking papers is friggin' easy, sadly... TOO EASY! Like i said in another thread, when i was 17 I was thinking of getting a fake ID down there, that would actually be LEGIT saying I was 21 to use when i got back to the US. It was 20 (USD) and my cousins buddy told me all I had to do was go in friggin' person to the police station and do it there! How crazy is that?? I never did it, cause I pussied out lol.
Another example, was my grandman lol faked her age to get on that early retirement money in Bolivia lol. Buenosol I think or something?
Its just really sad how easy it is to fake your age over there.
Dude its not true. This has been an issue for a year already. and not just only to this U15, but to our best current player and our U17 teams. If it is true, it's being well blown out of proportion. there might be an instance where the parents forgot the actual date of birth of their son making him either one year older or younger (yes it is possible) while filing for a birth certificate.
one player age cheating, possible but more than one player and a starter on the team, highly Doubt it
the only one's who have tarnished our reputation is our own media and some outside unknown investigators, so they should be looking into this. working round the clock with lots of caffeine.
i was venting and maybe a little harsh, but fact remains I'm Bolivian and I love my Culture my Country and my team.
I disagree. I hope it is not true. But if it IS true, it is NOT being blown out of proportion. If it is true that we dared send underage kids to an international tournment then the responsible people need to come to the public light and be punished so that it is clear that in Bolivia we respect the rule of law. Hopefully, if it IS true, all the chaos will make people think twice before ever doing it again.
What i read about Galindo is that he signed up for a futsal tournament with an ID saying he was 20 y/o, that was before the sub-17 tournament. They even say there is a document demonstrating this. Although I read somewhere (don't remember where) that he faked his age (pretend he was older) to play to futsal tournament.
And well let's see what happens with the other guys, I really don't wanna believe that, but there is always an option. (I hope not)
If all they have for Galindo is an ID from a futsal tournment, that's not much. But from what they say they have legal documetns from several of these kids demonstrating age changes.....that's heavyweight...
i think youre completely underreacting and in denial(if it were true)
this is serious and must be looked at..we cant be seen as a poor soccer nation and a poor cheating soccer nation
i highly doubt the age thing was an accident
Truth. But I mean it shouldnt be the press doing the investigating, but an internal one kept under wraps until the investigation is done. All this smearing of our youths reputation from our internal media is giving us a black eye. Good in the sense that finally may bring this to light.... bad in that many players who are their age will suffer from this because they will be looked over nevermind their talent because of all this.
I disagree. I think transparency is always the best option. If a public investigation shows nothing wrong was done, this will forever lift any shadow of a doubt from the kids, if a public investigation shows something wrong was done, then any extra scrutiny our future youngsters have to go through will be not only well deserved but necessary to ensure the integrity and proper development of our soccer. Otherwise we can never expect to get better.
Good point. Well said.
This is what gets me from this accusations. The guy comming out with this says he is doing it to "help" the state of our affairs. If he wanted to help, why wait until they come back with gold, why not do it prior the tournament. If he does have legit docs why wait till now to shame the country even more. If the kids lied or parents lied, sure throw the book at them.
I dont see anything wrong with bringing these things out in the open, but i would also say that this guy, if proven wrong, needs to go to jail and make an example of him as well. I dont know how is it that the guy in Galindo's case didnt get anything. The defamation and liable alone gets in fined, but what about our FBF stepping up and pressing charges against this guy. I know Bolivia doenst work like this country and FBF is in no position to point fingers with all the problems they have. But just as we say punish those who have lied, punish those with false acusations.
Definitely, law and order must go both ways in this case.
I thought i was overreacting.
haha I'm not in denial , maybe just a little bit. it's frustrating.
The reason i'm stating that it is well blown out of proportion, I'm speaking about the comments made in the media and the backlash without a single bit of evidence. you are belittling the Gold that our kids just won.
We know there has been some suspicious activity with,supposedly 3 players(i think), from our U17 . so i know it has happened but no specifics have been stated. BolivianFuego is right about getting fake documentation (at least IDs) being simple. Our records division in Bolivia has slowly been switching using computer systems.
As for the accidental age changing in Bolivia, it's true. In some places, parents wait a while to make sure the child hasn't had health problems that might lead to child to death.Parents wait to be in the clear and the child healthy, then proceed to get the proper documentation. it also could be a matter of not having money or ignorance.
reason I believe it is being blown out of proportion is because there are accusations but no solid evidence to warrant this scandal to be brought to public light. I agree. that the law must be upheld, either if its the parents, the academies or the people who the accusations.
yuup if you have nothing to be ashamed of and didn't do wrong, yes, the investigation should be transparent and thorough. But since there is no real true item that can be used as evidence. either by journalists or lawyers. there was no need to bring it to light and make it transparent. Its called "hearsay" in courts. to this point its all hearsay. and I hope that it is not true.
I just heard that the Sub 15 team will return the medals .heard it on PAT noticias.not sure how true it is.
this situation just got me soo pissed off...
Chriiiiiiiist if true....
yeah....PAT Noticias....hmmm.....be careful....they like to be sensationalists.....it's more amarillismo than noticias.....
Now if it was FacetasDeportivas (shown on PAT also) then I'd be worried.....
LOL, I'm guessing you haven't been to Bolivia for an extended amount of time recently.
Lo mejor que puede pasar es hacer una investigacion seria y si realmente hubo trampa de edad entonces devolver las medallas y que FIFA nos suspenda a todas las selecciones por un minimo de un a~o. Y que dejen de llamar a chicos de la tahuichi a selecciones nacionales por unos cuantos a~os ya que 4 de los 5 acusados son de esa institucion. Como dije antes, esa institucion dejo de ser la gran institucion que hace un lejano pasado fue cuando murio el fundador y fue reemplazdo por su hijo.
La tragedia de esto es que pudimos mandar un equipo de recien nacidos y el resultado de medalla de oro seria el mismo, mira con cuales equipos jugamos.
EDIT: dreyx, FacetasDeportivas no tiene credibilidad.
You took it completely out of context. It was a suppositional statement.
Yeah I agree, they publish a lot of rumors and bs, but at least they have people in the loop and in the know when it comes to sports....they are as good as sports newscasting can get in Bolivia.
Yeah, and to add salt to the wound...I don't doubt some of the other teams had kids older than 15 either....I mean this stuff happens everywhere, we don't have the monopoly on it.....