So who are we? Silverbacks or Chiefs?

Discussion in 'Atlanta NASL' started by The Earl of Lemongrab, Sep 11, 2012.

  1. bullsear

    bullsear Member

    Feb 17, 2009
    Club:
    Newcastle United FC
    That says less about the names than it says about you.

    The "Silverbacks" name has little to no appeal or value outside of the already existing fanbase. That's not really debatable. In its short existence, the team with that name has gone out of business (temporarily) and then had its controlling interest taken over to keep the same thing from happening again.

    As far as Chiefs go, if you can't "see" the problem with the name, you're deluded. The fact that the team owners are even considering the change in an era when other athletic teams are being boycotted and barred entry into conferences and tournaments for having similar names is mind boggling.
     
  2. Len

    Len Member+

    Club: Dallas Tornado
    Jan 18, 1999
    Everywhere and Nowhere.....I'm the wind, baby.
    I had no intention of wading into this since I'm not from Atlanta, but this sentence says it all. I haven't followed this topic outside this thread; are we sure the team owners are behind this - or is this one of those lame BS rumors/ideas. If it is the owners........."mind boggling" is the expression.
     
  3. bullsear

    bullsear Member

    Feb 17, 2009
    Club:
    Newcastle United FC
    Oh no. It's an official contest that's being promoted by the FO. Presumably they'll go with the fans' decision.

    Here's the link.

    (hoping for a write-in campaign, hoping for a write-in campaign, hoping for a write-in campaign)
     
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  4. kenntomasch

    kenntomasch Member+

    Sep 2, 1999
    Out West
    Club:
    FC Tampa Bay Rowdies
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    REALLY?

    There actually have been protests over the Braves' name, but, like I said, there's history and inertia there (just like with Washington Redskins). The point is, that name has been attached to that team for a hundred years. If you try to establish a name with that imagery today, you are going to have issues.

    THAT'S what I couldn't believe you couldn't grasp. It's the difference between a name that has a century of tradition/establishment behind it and one that (though it was used for a brief period 35 years ago) would be essentially "new." You'd be naive to think it wouldn't raise protests, and not just in Atlanta.
     
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  5. kenntomasch

    kenntomasch Member+

    Sep 2, 1999
    Out West
    Club:
    FC Tampa Bay Rowdies
    Nat'l Team:
    United States

    Have you ever heard of Willie B? Really? Do you have any idea what the ******** you're talking about?

    Because, like I've always said, the very best judge of whether or not something is offensive is a white male of European descent.
     
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  6. song219

    song219 BigSoccer Supporter

    Apr 5, 2004
    La Norte
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    Vanuatu
    The question is whether or not anyone outside of Atlanta or BigSoccer would notice if the Silverbacks changed their name even if was to something offensive. It's not like soccer & especially lower division soccer is really on anyones radar.
     
  7. kenntomasch

    kenntomasch Member+

    Sep 2, 1999
    Out West
    Club:
    FC Tampa Bay Rowdies
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Except some people in this country just like to rail against stuff, even if it doesn't directly affect them. They see a cause (well-intentioned or not) and get in on it.
     
  8. bullsear

    bullsear Member

    Feb 17, 2009
    Club:
    Newcastle United FC
    That is absolutely not the question.

    We are talking about a decision to change the name of a brand. More than a brand, a team which people have an emotional and financial investment in (regardless of how few). You don't make a decision that important, that dire, based on the fact that nobody might notice.

    As you say, it's not like lower level soccer is on anybody's radar. So why would you do something that might undermine your credibility with the few people whose radar you are on, and why would you do it in a way that would open you up to negative criticism from the people you are hoping to reach?
     
  9. CShine

    CShine Member

    Dec 13, 2009
    Huntsville, AL
    Club:
    Rocket City United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States

    I don't believe fans in GA would differentiate based on the age of the club. Most everyone I've spoken to in the Deep South thinks nickname controversies are distractions and nothing more. I'm not saying that's right. I'm saying that's how people think down here. If fans locally were to reject a team called the Chiefs it would be for reasons other than their name. You can always find some people who'd be exceptions but broadly speaking that's what the South is. It's Anti-PC land.
     
  10. CShine

    CShine Member

    Dec 13, 2009
    Huntsville, AL
    Club:
    Rocket City United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Minor league baseballl:

    Syracuse Chiefs
    Indianapolis Indians
    Peoria Chiefs
    Spokane Indians
    5 Braves teams


    Where are the protests?
     
  11. ATL 404

    ATL 404 New Member

    Apr 24, 2012
    Club:
    Atlanta Silverbacks
    The contest is not just between the two names. There is an option to write in another team name. I am sure that a third option will be the winner.
     
  12. kenntomasch

    kenntomasch Member+

    Sep 2, 1999
    Out West
    Club:
    FC Tampa Bay Rowdies
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    All established names of long-standing in their markets. And Syracuse uses train imagery, not Indian imagery.

    This is my point. Show me someone who has started a team or gone to a nickname and identity using Indian imagery recently. Show me that. The Indianapolis Indians are over 100 frigging years old.

    I mean...do we really want a list to go with your list of the colleges and high schools that have backed away from such imagery? I mean, we can do that. If you want. Soon as you show me another list of colleges and high schools that have said, "You know what? Bulldogs ain't making it for me. Let's go with Indians."
     
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  13. CShine

    CShine Member

    Dec 13, 2009
    Huntsville, AL
    Club:
    Rocket City United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States

    Plenty of Indian nicknames with longstanding tradition have been removed over the years. I don't know where you get the idea that time alone is what keeps a nickname in place. It seems to me that it's always been about the political dynamics of the specific club or institution in question. You seem to be overgeneralizing.
     
  14. kenntomasch

    kenntomasch Member+

    Sep 2, 1999
    Out West
    Club:
    FC Tampa Bay Rowdies
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I....said that.

    I'm asking you to show me someone who's changed to such a nickname.

    Just a coincidence, then, that the enduring ones have been around for a long time and that nobody has recently established such a nickname.

    What is the number one reason they don't change the name Washington Redskins tomorrow, do you think?

    Oh, really? I'M overgeneralizing?
     
  15. CShine

    CShine Member

    Dec 13, 2009
    Huntsville, AL
    Club:
    Rocket City United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    That is not pertinent to the question of whether the Chiefs name would harm the club. There doesn't need to be precedent.

    The fans don't care. You're suggesting fans are wedded to all things old but would scream injustice if it were new. I think that's bull. I think they just don't give a shit, period.
     
  16. ceezmad

    ceezmad Member+

    Mar 4, 2010
    Chicago
    Club:
    Chicago Red Stars
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    If Billings Montana ever gets a team, this would be the perfect name, this as mascot.

    [​IMG]
     
  17. kenntomasch

    kenntomasch Member+

    Sep 2, 1999
    Out West
    Club:
    FC Tampa Bay Rowdies
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    As was George Preston Marshall. And it's not like Edward Bennett Williams or Jack Kent Cooke changed it, either.

    Snyder's personal failings are a reason, but not the one often cited. That would be "tradition," which is code for "it's been so long and we're used to the name, and Indians don't buy tickets or vote, so why appease them?"
     
  18. TobaccoMonopolyFC

    Oct 12, 2011
    Club:
    AS Monaco FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Bahamas
    Atlanta Crackers.
     
  19. ceezmad

    ceezmad Member+

    Mar 4, 2010
    Chicago
    Club:
    Chicago Red Stars
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Perfectly set up for an endorsement deal.

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  20. CShine

    CShine Member

    Dec 13, 2009
    Huntsville, AL
    Club:
    Rocket City United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  21. mbsc

    mbsc Member

    Aug 6, 2009
    Club:
    Wilmington H.
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  22. Atlanta-manunited

    Sep 29, 2009
    Atlanta
    Club:
    Atlanta Silverbacks
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I went with the Chiefs. I would like to do what the Sounders did and tack on an "SC" or "FC" at the end, so we'd be Atlanta Chiefs FC/SC. The reason I went that way was due to the Chiefs history and brand. The Kaizer Chiefs of South Africa were named after the Atlanta Chiefs because their owner liked the logo so much. It's not PC and based off of some comments, really offensive to some. If the organization were smart, they'd find a way to associate it with police/fire/military chiefs instead to avoid any blowback. This team has been on a PR roller coaster all year.
     
  23. MPoole

    MPoole Member

    Aug 1, 2006
    Atlanta
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Kind of defeats the purpose doesn't it? Without the logo what is the point of bringing back the Chiefs?
     
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  24. Atlanta-manunited

    Sep 29, 2009
    Atlanta
    Club:
    Atlanta Silverbacks
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Could still do something cool with a few adjustments. Say what you want, but this vote has already served its purpose. It got us talking about the Silverbacks. This thread is 4 pages in. It's been an up and down summer for the Silverbacks with the US Open Cup fiasco and the Wynalda hiring. Good or bad, the organization has raised it's profile within the US soccer community and within the city of Atlanta this season. Play on the field has been bad mostly, but we're still 2nd in the league in attendance. I think this is Wynalda's idea and the organization went ahead with it so that they can continue the PR momentum. All they want is eyeballs.
     
  25. MPoole

    MPoole Member

    Aug 1, 2006
    Atlanta
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    A question for Mr. Warmth (and this is an honest question, I'm not trying to ruffle feathers).
    If the logo and name are used, but the team refrains from any hokie mascots or things of that nature would it still be something that is taken as an insult? The reason that I ask is that from my perspective I wouldn't see that as being racist, and certianly better than a team like Notre Dame's "The Fighting Irish." I guess what I am getting at is the question "is there a way that it can be done without insult?" Or is the use of any Native American imagery whatsoever out?
     

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