Should The FA Cup and Carling Cup Draw Multiple Rounds At A Time?

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Should The FA Cup and Carling Cup Draw Multiple Rounds At A Time?

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  1. EvanJ

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    Should the FA Cup and Carling Cup draw multiple rounds at a time like the Champions League and Europa League knockout rounds?


  2. england66

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    No.
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  4. Peakite

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    The FA Cup already draws some of its rounds at the same time.


  5. england66

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    Not really....they draw the next round on a specific date and often some of the previous rounds games have yet to be decided.....due to the first match ending in a draw....
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    They actually do draw together. Certainly the EPR and PR are done together, I think the next one may be done at the same time as well.
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    ?? The next round is drawn after the previous round is played... the only thing is its done before the replays are played so some teams won't know which team they're playing until after the replays..

    to answer the original questoin... NO! In fact, I really don't like the way the champions league and europa league do this... it should be an open draw after each round.
  8. EvanJ

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    If the Extra Preliminary Round and Preliminary Round are the only rounds drawn together then not many people are going to know about that because those rounds only include clubs from Level 8 (Step 4) and below.
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    I'm not sure what you mean by this. The only rounds that the UCL draw simultaneously are the QF and SF rounds. The UEL draw the R-32 and R-16 simultaneously, then draw the QF and SF simultaneously.

    And in both, it is a truely-open draw after the first knockout round of each tourney (meaning, from QF-on in the UCL and the R-16-on in the UEL). The first knockout round of each do have seeding (UCL: eight group winners; UEL: twelve group winners and top four third-place UCL teams), and also have the rule of teams in the same federation not matched up.

    I would rather the UCL do one draw at the group stage, then have the rest of the tournament be fixed-bracket just like the FIFA World Cup: The R-16 would then be (A1-v-B2) (B1-v-A2) ... If you want country-protection in the R-16, then split teams from the same federation into the four sub-brackets (so, say, the four England teams would have one team in groups A-B, one in C-D, ...).

    That would be a bit more difficult to do in the UEL knockout phases, due to the eight drop-down teams from the UCL. But they should still draw the final-32 into a fixed-bracket.
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    And to address the topic of the FA Cup draw. I would take the EPL standings in January (after, barring any postponements, every team would have played each other once) and seed the teams by those 19-game standings. So the top two teams would be placed in opposite halves of the 64-team bracket (only can meet in the final); teams 3 and 4 would be placed where they would meet seeds 1-2 in the SF round; teams 5 to 8 would be bracketed to meet 1-4 in the QF round; teams 9-16 would meet teams 1-8 in, well, the R-16; and the rest of the teams would be more or less be in one pot of 48 teams, and would be drawn randomly into the bracket. (Note this form of a draw is done in the tennis major tournaments.)
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    ... looks like the American way to me....just like in the NCAA basketball tournament....
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    Part of the attraction of the cup is that it isn't seeded. Who actually wants the last 8 or last 16 to be the top 8 or 16 premiership clubs?
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    I like it the way the Europa League is. It gives me time to make travel plans. Like if you're a PSV fan and you see Valencia 2 rounds ahead, you can start thinking about a possible trip to Spain 2-3 months in advance instead of 2 weeks in advance. Huge difference in terms of convenience and saves some money too!
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    The topic is about if multiple rounds should be drawn at a time, which can be done without seeding it.
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    I really can't see any advantage at all to drawing rounds in advance. The random draw, and not knowing who'll you get in the next round until after your match, is part of the fun.
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    Sure it would be nice to know the fixtures as far in advance as possible so you can make plans and save cash but for it to be a real cup competition, no matter what cup it is, it must have the nostalgia and surprise of the draw where the non-league minnow draws the Premier League giant at home with the romanticism and underdog themes adding spice to the possibilities of a giant-killing. You just can't put a price on that as everybody loves an underdog, so I would never be in favour of seeding or setting up as the NCAA does for March Madness.
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    A fair argument for a Europe-wide tournament. But how long do you need to work out how to get from, say, Liverpool to Birmingham? It really isn't a relevant argument for a domestic cup competition.

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