Should he stay or should he go, That is the Question! - The Jorge Jesus Thread [R]

Jorge Costa seems to quit of get mysteriously fired from every team he has ever coached

Rui may be a bigger gamble, but it may pay off. We know what we have in JJ. I don't think it's good enough

He's been a hard case his whole career; a little bit of Costa goes a long way.

I have to say, respectfully , I don't understand this logic. You want to basically dismantle the first period of consistency the club has had in a decade for what is effectively a lottery tickets chance at success. Would you cash in all your savings and spend all the money on powerball tickets as a strategy for success? It's a gamble but it might pay off.

Like I said I can live with firing JJ but it has to be for an upgrade, not a hope and a prayer. Using your logic about motivation we should make Eusebio coach.

Great post, specially that 2nd paragraph: completely agree.

You think SLB considers Domingos Pacencia? personly i think he's going to Porto. just some food for thought.

The only thing consistent about JJ is that he's failing to take advantage of his opertunities given to him. Time and time again. 2 months ago we were ahead of Porto, now behind. Last year 20 points behind and losing to Braga in EL. Three years ago the disaster at Liverpool.

JJ is a good coach and thats it. He's never gonna be a great coach or a good coach in important games because he's 0-lifetime in them. Hell, even Braga got better when he left!

It's not hard to finish top 2-3 in this league spending the way Benfica spends. It's really, really not. We'll be having the same discussion next year that we are having now if he's kept, mark my words.

I agree, this is no time for a gamble. Upgrades only and I don't see why people dismiss big names. If we could get a guy like Trapattoni in 04' we can get a pretty notable name to coach us these days.

At this point in time, I will take anyone as long as it is not JJ.

Then offer up a solution besides JJ. Anyone but JJ isn't good enough. If you can't get an improvement then you stand pat. It's really not that hard.

Any other half decent coach with these players, catching Porto on an off year (by their standards) would have this team comfortably in first place. You make it sound as if it would be hard to replace JJ, quite the opposite. It would not take much to replace him. "If you cant improve you stand pat" No FN kidding Sherlock. The point is that it wont take much to improve from what he has been able to do.

Stability is good. I grant that is true but only if you are either showing improvement or are at a level you are content with. Neither is the case with our team. They are not improving despite having better talent, and I challenge you to show me one shred of evidence that would lead anyone to believe there will be improvement.

As far as alternatives, (putting RC asside) I personally like the coach of Croatia Slaven Bilic. Really good talented young coach that has also shown is good with young players.

I'm sorry but it's not my job to look for a coach for Benfica. And if I say someone that everyone agrees with, it's not like Rui Costa reads these boards and is like "ohhh nbstriker8 said this guy...let's go get him."

As a fan, I'm fed up with JJ. I'm sick of failing to do anything in these league with these players. I WANT HIM GONE. You or anyone else isn't gonna change my opinion. So please, stop asking us to name coaches, whoever we name doesn't matter. In fantasy land, let's get Mourinho...or Pep...or Carlo...who gives a crap. There's better options than JJ. If not, we'll have the same discussion next year, when Porto wins AGAIN and one or both of Braga and Sporting push us out of Europe all together.

I don't think we will be seeing him coaching one of the big three.

Jardim is an interesting choice and I think he's worthy of the chance. He could be the Cristiano Ronaldo of Portuguese managers. His career path just to get to Braga has been uphill. How many guys you know went from coaching in the second division (or third division depending on how you look at it) to the top flight? Very few.

Like I said before, Jardim or Domingos!

On the plus side JJ has got some excellent players coming in and sold at very goos prices.

BUT this side is comparable to the Porto side that won the Europa and then CL. Take our side this year add in Luiz, Ramirez and Fabio and a coach like Mourinho and we could of done what Porto did (even with Barca/Real (( we lost to a Chelsea side that is the worst since RA took over, although the tragedy of the CB's was not JJ fault,)).) If's and buts but JJ at the very most can only have one more season.

Exactly. That would have definitely been a possible accomplishment, but this is where a different president would come in play. We need one who's willing to hold some key players for more than 1-2 seasons and make a return as a top flight team in Europe! RESSURECT A LEGEND!

So he was shit because he was a foreign coach ? Is that what you are implying bud ? I cant help but smile when we as a club suit up a team that sometimes has no Portuguese player starting and thats ok but the mere mention of a foreign coach and some are up in arms ? Its not about foreign or Portuguese. It is about the right coach. JJ has had a shot at it and shows no sign what so ever of improvement. If we keep him for another year, we will have the same kind of sub par performance. That is the difference between Benfica and Porto. Porto would not accept mediocrity. I dont think we should settle for mediocrity either.

JJ is the kind of coach that can be effective with small teams. Period. Turn the page and lets go on. I am fine with either a domestic or foreign coach. I really dont care. I just want a coach that can get the most out of the players he has and this was a pretty talented team. Look at all the teams after our players.

I'm just ready for a new adventure and go on to the next chapter.

On record and abola I have yet to see an article where someone is saying that JJ should be fired. In fact, a lot of people want him to stay according to articles. This team just isn't as good as you thought it was. Emerson was a big let down in comparison to Coentrao. Garay was a wash-out at Madrid and I really wasnt that impressed with his performances. We as a fan base overrated him. Witsel has been an amazing signing, Matic has been good off the bench, Bruno Cesar has been hit or miss. You're overrating the talent and depth on this team and that is your down fall. So manuel Cajuda could replace JJ? Pedro Emmanuel? Rui Machado?

You keep mentioning Slaven Billic and I can probably guarentee you know absolutely nothing about that manager except what your friend told you. He also has never coached club soccer, a much more demanding job than NT duty. The chances of Benfica getting him are really slim.

You sound like a little kid crying right now.

If we could somehow get Marcelo Bielsa the Atletico Bilbao coach I would be happy....however with Bilbao's current run of form and possibly his contract situation will deem it impossible. Always liked this guy.

http://www.goal.com/en/news/1717/ed...e-will-save-jesus-despite-benficas-league-cup

I want a neutral coach who isn't going to have a bias on the players, who is going to choose the most skillful and in form players not his favorite (Cardozo and Emerson situation with JJ). Not stubborn either.

Poor Saviola is rotting on the bench when he clearly has plenty to offer Benfica. Rodrigo, Nelson and Saviola are all better than Cardozo yet he continues to play that turtle. Playing with Cardozo as a lone striker is like playing with only 10 players. Our loaned players, Jara and Melgarejo are also better than him. And Capdevila, Shaffer, Carole and Luis Martins are better than Emerson.

So basically I want a coach with common sense. Maybe JJ wouldn't be in this situation if he just made this simple corrections. He's a good coach who refuses to be great.