Serbia vs CHILE, 14 de noviembre en St.Gallen (Amistoso) [R]

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  1. JAIME CHILE

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    Partido amistosa contra serbos.:D

    I wrote on Cobreloa page about Sinisa Mihajlovic and his history, it's all true, I implemented links.

    http://www.bigsoccer.com/community/threads/cobreloa-2012-r.1876642/page-25

    Beside his free kicks, maybe you can discover something else about him.

    About their team I can say that they lost two important players: Vidic and Stankovic, they are in the process of generation exchange. Branislav Ivanovic is their leader now I think, because of his career in Chelsea. Their defense is in much better situation, before in 90's they had great Montenegrin attackers Savicevic and Mijatovic. I think that Jugovic also has Montenegrin heritage, Drulovic is a Vlach - because of this -ul- in the middle.

    Their GK is injured now: Stojkovic, not sure will he play against Chile, he won't play in today's qualification match. They have Romani people goalkeeper Kahriman, I think that Brkic from Udinese will have a good career as a goalkeeper. He defended very well in the match against Liverpool in Europa League 2-3 match.

    Aleksandar Kolarov scores often, if we consider that he is a defender, he scores pretty often for Serbia and Manchester City, especially from free kicks.​
    Neven Subotic has really bad nature, he yells on people a lot.​
    Just because Robben missed and Subotic thought that this penalty should not exist at all. In Northern Germany they all feel antagonism against Bayern Munchen.​
    Other defenders: are not well known for me. I remember Bisevac from PSG, they sold him in Lyon, bigger competition in PSG. I don't follow Zenit St. Petersburg or Russian league at all. But Russians use a lot of strength, runners, winter is strong there, so these Russian players are mostly tuff, goot ability to adapt on different circumstances.​
    24 DF Aleksandar Luković Zenit Saint Petersburg​
    4 DF Milan Biševac Lyon​
    3 DF Ljubomir Fejsa Olympiacos​
    22 DF Nenad Tomović Fiorentina​
    5 DF Matija Nastasić Manchester City​
    13 DF Nikola Maksimović Red Star Belgrade​

    Surname Fejsa is not Serbian surname, I think it's Czech, Slovak, maybe Hungarian. Nastasic is a Vlach surname, Romanian player was Ilie Nastase, so Serbs only changed last letter into more Slavic Nastas - ic and they become Serbs. Same as Maksimovic, another Vlach, "son of Maxim". I don't know about them, Mancini buys Serbs mostly because he is a close friend with Mihajlovic and Stankovic. Mihajlovic is a Vlach surname, in Romania exists surname Stancu.

    Their central players:

    7 MF Zoran Tošić CSKA Moscow
    8 MF Radosav Petrović Gençlerbirliği
    10 MF Dušan Tadić Twente
    17 MF Aleksandar Ignjovski Werder Bremen
    19 MF Filip Đuričić Heerenveen
    14 MF Nemanja Matić Benfica
    16 MF Srđan Mijailović Red Star Belgrade
    25 MF Nenad Krstičić Sampdoria
    2 MF Alen Stevanović Torino

    Russian, Turkish league, two from Netherlands. I consider Macedonian Ignjovski and Nemanja Matic as their best central players, clubs where they play say this also. Matic is usually Croatian typical surname. Son of Mate, or Mateo. You will never find a Serb with first name Mate, Mateo, Matej, but they use Marko, Luka and Ivan.

    Surname Mijailovic is a product of non-written word, they used only verbal form. It should go Mihajlovic, but some people on Balkan can't say the letter H. This surname came through verbal form only, in Croatia exists Croatian form Mijaljevic, but Mihaljevic would be correct. On the other hand Mihajlovic is a Serbian form in majority of cases, but this is a Vlach surname in original.

    Stevanovic could be Montenegrin. Some linguistis consider surname Petrovic as a Vlach (Romanian), (Petrescu), Krsticic means Krst-Cross, Serbian language, Croats say Kriz (Cruz), but ancient name for Christians in Croatian language was "krstjani". Today we say "krsšćani", Serbs say "hrišćani", because of Hristos, Greek Orthodox form.

    Their central players are much weaker than defenders, only Ignjovski and Matic I consider as a threat, but some defenders join in central area, even in attack: Ivanovic for example, that's how they take some advantages because of their weaker midfield.

    Attackers:

    9 FW Miralem Sulejmani Ajax
    15 FW Dejan Lekić Gençlerbirliği
    21 FW Lazar Marković Partizan
    26 FW Marko Šćepović Partizan

    Sulejmani has Gorani origins, more similar to Albanians. He is their best attacker, others I don't know. Linguists consider surname Markovic also as a Vlach surname, surname Scepovic comes from Stjepovic I think, from the name Stjepan, usual Croatian first name for Esteban, Steven. Same thing is with surname Scepanovic (Stjepanovic)....when you say t+j you get ć. Another problem because of verbal thought.

    Recent call - ups, here I see some good players, older with much more experience:

    Basta (Vlach surname), Kuzmanovic, he doesn't invite Adem Ljajic, because he doesn't want to sing Serbian anthem, he is a Muslim from Serbia. Gojko Kacar maybe (Turkish surname), Pantelic also, Milos Krasic.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serbia_national_football_team

    Maybe Mihajlovic considers them as a threat in locker room, they always have some team issues, they fall apart on bigger competitions, they have verbal conflicts among themselves, team spirit is not their thing, thats for sure, visible in Germany 2006, South Africa 2010, EURO 2000.

    Adem Ljajic - number 14



    Mihajlovic did not sang Yugoslav anthem: Hey Slavs it was their name. But he kicked Adem Ljajic because he didn't sang Serbian anthem.


    Montenegrin Croat Ivica Kralj even laughed on a moment during the anthem. Yugoslavia took this anthem from Poland, Slovaks also had this anthem.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hey,_Slavs

    Melody is a Polish. I hope that I helped with analyze of Serbian (Vlach, Gorani, etc.) team. Good luck for Chile here. Observe them during national anthem, maybe you can report some players to their coach if they don't sing well.:D Every player must sing - patriotism.:whistling:

    This is their current anthem: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bože_pravde

    Players need time to adapt on some circumstances, they change their country name, flag and national anthem very often, players can't follow everything.:thumbsup: In this last anthem they consider themselves as people of God with a unique Serbian race.:rolleyes:
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    Thanks a lot:thumbsup:

    I watched the 2nd half of the match Scotland-Serbia, and I think that they have a good defense, but they have problems in attack. Too many air play.
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    Air play and bunkers became football revolution in Europe, when some teams park their buses, nobody can destroy this.:D Even Netherlands started to use air balls, their target is van Persie mostly. Against Serbia you will see some non-rational ruff fouls on center, air balls, solid defense and a lot of singing at start. Mihajlovic will watch carefully after the match who sang well.:D Maybe they took some singing lessons.:thumbsdown: In Milano exists Conservatorio di Musica Giuseppe Verdi.:whistling: But this Academy is also good.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Academy_of_Music,_University_of_Zagreb


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    hahahah:D
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    Not a good idea to travel from Croatia to Macedonia by train through Serbia:rolleyes: Very sad anyway.

    2nd half:
    Serbia 0 Belgium 1
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    Small group of fans went there in Macedonia, this is the railway line, never travelled there, but it usually goes through one part of Serbia. How poor if they investigate the time of train arrival. Funny nation. Belgium seems stronger than Serbia, much better creative players and attackers, solid defense. Macedonians use lasers, usual thing on stadiums now.

    1-2 for Croatia, goal from 30, 40 meters, free kick, well done Rakitic, asi se hace.:D
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    Serbia perdió 0:3:eek: en Belgrado con Bélgica.

    Así quedo el "grupo de la muerte" europeo:

    Bélgica 7
    Croacia 7
    SERBIA 4
    Gales 3
    Escocia 2
    Macedonia 1

    El martes 16 Serbia jugará en Macedonia.
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    I knew that Belgium is a better team than Serbia, in some moments they pressed us very well in Bruxelles with Witsel, Mertens, Hazard, they are a difficult team, haven't seen highlights of this match, tomorrow I will. Now Croatia train will suffer even more with stones and alcohol, the train must return from Savageland.:D

    Also it was bad to consider that Wales is the weakest team here. This group has most difficult teams, others have San Marino, Andorra, Kazakhstan, Faroe Islands, etc. Our San Marino here is Wales. I hope that we will finish first somehow and avoid additional qualifications in Novemeber 2013, allthough we passed those qualifications 3/3 times.

    Macedonia won't have Goran Pandev, he collected 2 yellow cards. I think that Serbia will win very easy against Macedonia, Macedonia lost their chances now, with two defeats they can't expect first two places, so they will let Serbia, so that they try to kick Croatia, the same thing happened in qualifications for EURO 2000, against Croatia and Ireland, Macedonia played very good, but against Serbia two easy defeats. Results say that it was very easy.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UEFA_Euro_2000_qualifying_Group_8

    Some Macedonian provocations tonight:
    - our national anthem had some "problems", they did something with the melody at start, very silent, than loud, some tones were lost. It lasted maybe around 30 seconds.
    - their national anthem lasted around 5 minutes. They had a singer and for Croatia only melody with errors.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Denes_nad_Makedonija

    It was very boring to listen and watch, our players started to warm up at the end, meaningless, it was to long, one Macedonian player laughed during their national anthem. Argentine, Brazilian national anthems are also long, but they use shorter version. Maybe I will find those moments online.:D They mentioned their heroes at least 3,4 times:

    Gotse Delchev, Pitu Guli
    Dame Gruev, Sandanski!
    Goce Delchev, Pitu Guli
    Dame Gruev, Sandanski!

    But their fans were silent mostly, they said, it would be Macedonian hell on the stadium, I saw mostly lasers on our GK, free kicks, corners, court was good, not like before several years. At the end - Croatian first victory in Macedonia, the score is 5-2-1 now for Croatia.:thumbsup:

    There are few reasons why Serbia will play against Chile, probably they invited you in Switzerland.

    1) They want to show their group opponents that they are preparing allready for Southamerican atmosphere. Mihajlovic only says everytime: I want only 6 points against Belgium and Macedonia, for others I don't care.

    2) Sinisa Mihajlovic had some problems with on coach who worked in Chile - Mirko Jozic. Jozic refused to invite him on that youth World Cup 1987, so Sinisa cried infront of his TV, at least he said so. He won against Colo Colo with his club Crvena Zvezda, against coach Mirko Jozic, 3-0 I think. He still lives in the past and those moments in Yugoslavia, last Yugoslav Cup between Crvena Zvezda and Hajduk Split (0-1), events during the war, when he needed to escape from Croatia in Belgrade.

    3) They also watch who recognized Kosovo as an independent state.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_recognition_of_Kosovo

    Southamerican countries mostly didn't recognized Kosovo. So they consider them as friends.:D All EU countries accepted them, only Spain didn't, because of their regions who want independency. Some countries accepted Kosovo, because they have some issues with Serbia.:D So they accepted them, because of some kind provocation.:rolleyes:

    4) Large Croatian community in Chile. They want that Croatian people see them on TV.

    Key reasons are his memories from youth days, Mirko Jozic situations, he always mentions them if he can.:D His sentences start with: "I revenged...".:D Rage and joy are emotions that follow him.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siniša_Mihajlović

    Controversy part is interesting, it's true, English Wikipedia is correct about issues in ex-Yugoslavia.

    I don't think that Chile could have problems againt Serbia, they have reputation of good defenders, after this result against Belgium, it's doubtful.:D Chile can have problems only if they choose to have a lot of changed players, or if you don't invite best players. I think that they invited Chile, usually European teams invite.

    Croatia will play against Wales, they are now motivated because of their victory against Scotland. But it's good, Scotland is better I think, so they took points from them, Macedonia could take at least point against Serbia, but they won't, 1-3 defeat I think.:D Brothers must go further.:whistling:

    Here are the goals Macedonia - Croatia:
    http://sportski.net.hr/nogomet/reprezentacija/hrvatska-pobijedila-makedoniju-u-skoplju-s-21

    Serbia - Belgium goals:
    http://sportski.net.hr/nogomet/repr...-makedoniju-s-21-sjajnim-golom-ivana-rakitica
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    When Borghi will announce the players for this match, I'll tell you if we can do something against them or not.
    With Herrera, Medel, Isla, Carmona, Valdivia, Sánchez, S.Pinto, etc. we have many possibilities to win this friendly match. But Borghi won't call up Herrera, Carmona, Estrada and Valdivia for sure.
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    If Borghi will experiment in this match, he could have problems, because Serbia has only one good set of players, to bad that Borghi isn't doing the correct thing, during Marcelo Bielsa time, Chile looked very good, different combinations, those nice diagonal passes, crossings.

    For some teams friendly matches don't mean so much, I assume that Southamerican teams play them with desire for victory. I noticed that Brazil and Argentina play more relaxed, some Asian teams took one point sometimes in those friendly matches. Brazil asked 1 million of euros for the match against Croatia in Split, Ricardinho scored for them, this is a proof that they didn't used their best players. It finished 1-1. I don't like friendly matches, because they don't say anything after, this is only for sponsors, commercials who put their logos, same thing is with Confederations Cup I think.:D When we have friendly matches period, that coaches of bigger clubs want to order national team coaches should their players play or not.:rolleyes: Also they can get injuries there, they switch many players, so we can't see good football anymore, because of these things I don't like friendly matches.
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    Long Macedonian anthem against Croatia::sleep: :)



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    Serbia - Belgium highlights:

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    Como va la cosa sera un buen acierto para el proximo tecnico de 'La Roja'? Por el rival veo con buen ojos este partido.
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    According to media their weakest defender is Bisevac, he was founded guilty because of 0-3 defeat against Belgium. Fans also entered in verbal conflict with Kolarov, after he left the game because of substitution fans yelled, "boos" and he putted his hand close to his ear: "I can't hear you well", after that they attacked him before he entered in the bus: "You can't here very well. Go in Man. City, you give there everything" - with a lot of juicy words.:rolleyes: He came infront of this fan group "What do you want from me?" - with a lot of juicy words.:rolleyes: After that Sinisa Mihajlovic took him in the bus. Mihajlovic will implement some changes against Macedonia, but the tactics remains the same - attacking style.:D

    In the first halftime Serbia played well against Belgium, but after they got the goal, their team spirit was broken, but Belgium was in fear, at least they said this after the match. This result 0-3 doesn't show Serbian reality, they were not so weak. Mihajlovic mentioned that he will resign if Serbia doesn't get World Cup 2014 status. He thinks about this, that says something.;) Macedonia hasn't scored two goals in one match around two years.

    During the press conference for the match against Macedonia happened something strange, mobile phone rang and the melody was the anthem of HNK Hajduk Split, Croatia: "Dalmatia, my blossomed rose"

    !​

    This mobile phone was very close to Mihajlovic, but he gave this phone to "some other owner", so that he turns off this melody.:D As you can see he had unpleasant gestures, he was shaked, he said: "Good song" - "Dobra je pjesma".:whistling: At first very serious, after reporters laughed, than he laughed. Serbs have Croatian football anthems on their mobile phones.:D Turn on vibration next time.:thumbsup: The mystery is who is the owner of this mobile phone.:thumbsdown:

    Here is this song in original tone: Tutti Frutti band.


    Stadium in Split:

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    Ayer (clasificatorias mundialistas europeas):

    Macedonia 1 Serbia 0

    Tabla del "grupo de la muerte":

    Bélgica 10
    Croacia 10
    SERBIA 4
    Macedonia 4
    Gales 3
    Escocia 2
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    Cómo tan giles en la UEFA de hacer factible la posibilidad de que jueguen en el mismo grupo Serbia, Macedonia y Croacia? :eek: :eek: :confused:
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    Many things happened yesterday in Serbia and Macedonia.

    U21 Teams of Serbia and England played in Serbian place Krusevac.
    England won in last seconds, but during the whole match Serbian fans insulted with racist sounds against their players. After the match there was a fight, Stuart Pearce also wanted to share some justice, Serbia is reported because of their sounds and insults against English players. Number 3, I think Rose was their target.


    Serbian fan sounds against English players:

    Stuart Pearce:​
    "We complained, we did and it is now a problem that should have to carry our hosts. Behavior and reactions of my players, I can only say that I am extremely proud," said Pierce, while the English football legend Paul Ince, whose son plays in U21 national team, was much sharper.​
    "These things have to be dealt with Sepp Blatter and Michel Platini. I would threw out Serbia from the following five qualifying cycles. Unfortunately, they will get small penalty. These scenes we do not want to see in football, it returs us in Dark Ages."​
    Danny Rose:​
    "I do not know in what moment in the game I was not even focused on the match. I felt so much hatered from the host, this made me very angry and I just felt anger. Two stones hitted me during the game, when I was near touchline. Their chanting lasted the whole match. After the trial was completed all Serbian players hitted us I remember two strokes. But, again, I remember, because it is possible that I got them much more."​

    Senior match between Macedonia and Serbia had fan conflicts.


    Player Tomovic did this foul, he played instead of Branislav Ivanovic. Ivanovic won't play anymore for Serbia until Mihajlovic resigns. Probably some verbal conflict between them so he switched him with Tomovic, unknown player for me.
    Ivanovic said: "We didn't have any conflict, this was a shock therapy".:rolleyes:

    Around 3000 Serbian fans from Montenegro entered in Macedonia, they wanted to fight with Albanian community in Macedonia, their team has several Albanians also, after they attacked them, Albanians injured 3 Serbian fans with knife.

    Serbian fans after Albanian attacks:

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    Serbian fans also brought Greek flag and they putted this flag on some square in Skopje. This was provocation, because Greece declines state name of Macedonia. Macedonia is also northern Greek region. Macedonians also reacted on this provocation, so they entered in conflicts, endless telenovela.:sleep: A lot of boos during Serbian national anthem.

    But after the match Serbian fans stayed on stadium and they wanted to sing their anthem in peace.:sleep: They have principles.:D
    After all these situations Sinisa Mihajlovic brought a big decision. Kolarov won't be number 11 anymore, he will be number 3.:thumbsup: Serbian fans want now that Croatia goes in additional qualifications and they hope that we will lose there. They are still in the game, 6 matches left so far, it's hard to go further with more than two defeats. Croatia needs to play against Belgium at home, two times against Scotland and Serbia, once against Wales away. We don't have good score against Scotland, 3 ties only, it was always hard, against Serbia 2 ties in late 90's. I don't know who could take points against Belgium, Macedonia maybe, they seem as hard and defending team. Wales would be much better, but they use to much defensive style, when they run forward, usually Bale runs, they can be dangerous. Gareth Bale had 11.4 seconds in his youth days, when he ran 100 meters, very fast player, combination of rugby and football player, he likes rugby also. Wales is a good team in this sport.​
    In Croatia is hard to win also, only England achieved this after our red card.:oops: Belgium and Serbia need to come in that environment.:D We brought our game style back, complete domination, many chances, to bad that we didn't scored more, goal difference could decide. We didn't had to much luck against Wales, their goalkeeper did a lot of saves, around 25 strikes we had, 19 on the target. ​
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    I think that Belgium's 3rd goal was in off side position.
    Serbian defenders didn't seem reliable.

    Puedo estar equivocado, pero estas clasificatorias las organiza la FIFA, no la UEFA (?).

    No sería la 1a vez que países de la ex-Yugoslavia juegan entre sí en un mismo grupo, ya ser por clasificatorias a Mundiales o Eurocopas:
    En las clasificatorias UEFA 1994-95 Croacia y Eslovenia jugaron en el mismo grupo.
    En las clasificatorias FIFA 1996-97 jugaron Eslovenia, Croacia y Bosnia-Herzegovina en el mismo grupo.
    En las clasificatorias UEFA 1998-99 jugaron Yugoslavia, Croacia y Macedonia en el mismo grupo.
    En la EURO 2000 jugaron Yugoslavia y Eslovenia en el mismo grupo.
    En las clasificatorias FIFA 2000-01 jugaron Eslovenia y Yugoslavia en el mismo grupo.
    En el repechaje UEFA 2003 jugaron Croacia y Eslovenia.
    En las clasificatorias FIFA 2004-05 jugaron Serbia-Montenegro y Bosnia-Herzegovina en el mismo grupo.
    En las clasificatorias UEFA 2006-07 Croacia y Macedonia jugaron en el mismo grupo.
    En las clasificatorias UEFA 2010-11 jugaron Eslovenia y Serbia en el mismo grupo.
    Ahora en las clasificatorias FIFA 2012-13 juegan Croacia, Serbia y Macedonia en el mismo grupo.

    Nice atmosphere in Krusevac:rolleyes:
    If Borghi decides to use "Junior" Fernándes (son of black brazilians) and Jean Beausejour (his father is Haitian) in Switzerland against Serbia, I think that some Serbian fans will insult them and will do racists sounds. I hope that I'm wrong.
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    Here is the whole match between Serbia and Belgium, someone removed this first video, Serbian commentator. In comments you can see that they insult black players who play for Belgium: "afrobelgijanci" is one comment in the bottom. Serbia played well at start. Belgium seems slower, they have higher players. I don't think that Marc Wilmots is a good coach, he should bring much more from this talented team. This group is not over yet, 6 matches we all have. When Serbia gets one goal, they usually go down, no character for returning back.

    If Mihajlovic picks good defenders like Ivanovic, Subotic, Kolarov, this is better, but with Bisevac everything becomes bad.​
    This World Cup qualifications are under FIFA I think. Even with UEFA nothing could change, we all can play against each other, unless we are not in the same pot, but this won't happen I think.:D
    Pot 1: Croatia​
    Pot 2: Montenegro, Slovenia and Serbia.​
    Pot 3: Bosnia and Herzegovina​
    Pot 4: Albania​
    Pot 5: Macedonia​
    Matches between all these teams are high risk matches, Croatia wouldn't have problems against Slovenia, Albania and Macedonia. At least we can hope.:D Who knows what would happen if we play against them again.​
    Against Montenegro, Bosnia and Herzegovina and Serbia this would be horrible. Montenegrin historians consider that Montenegrins are ex-Croats, but in Montenegro lives around 178 000 Serbs. Serbs would make problems, people who are Montenegrins, they feel some kind of shame because they were involved in the war against Croatia.​
    Serbian king Stephan Nemanja converted Montenegrins into Orthodox Christianity in 12th century. Serbs decline this theory of course, because they lost one of "their Serbian lands", for Serbs every country in Balkan Peninsula is a "Serbian land", they consider Greece as their own state of origins who went up on north and north-west. On daily websites they write in their comments "so called Croats, Slovenes, Montenegrins, Macedonians, Kosovo Albanians, Albanians, Bosnians, Herzegovinians", they consider them all as ex-Orthodox Serbs, even though Serbian Orthodoxy was founded in 1219.​
    They decline our languages, they say that we all speak Serbian language.:D
    On the other hand Roman Catholicism in Croatia came much earlier first as Christianity, after that Roman Catholicism.​
    In most important Croatian cities Roman Catholicism came in 3rd century, evrything was aranged until 10th century, so Serbs have problems with this, they wanted to convert Croats, many of them are converted in Bosnia and Herzegovina, so they are Serbs today.​
    Same thing with Roman Catholicism is in Bosnia and Herzegovina: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_Catholicism_in_Bosnia_and_Herzegovina
    Even their king Stephen Nemanja I who converted Montenegrins into Orthodox Christianity was baptized as Roman Catholic.​
    "Nemanja was born around the year 1113 AD in Ribnica, Zeta (in the vicinity of present day Podgorica, the capital of Montenegro). He was the youngest son of Zavida, a Prince of Zahumlje, who after a conflict with his brothers was sent to Ribnica where he had the title of Lord. Zavida (Beli Uroš) was most probably a son of Uroš I or Vukan. As western Zeta was under Roman Catholic jurisdiction, Nemanja received a Catholic baptism."​
    They consider this king as very important, they give to their children his name: Nemanja Vidic, but they hate the fact that he was Roman Catholic, one of Croatian argument for teasing them, this shows that he was a resident of Red Croatia, city of Zeta.​
    Everything Serbian came later in Croatia, Bosnia and Herzegovina and Montenegro. Even Northern Albania is considered as part of ancient Red Croatia, only Roman Catholics live there.​
    Their oldest monastery in Croatia is Krupaa, 1317. year.:D
    There are no many informations about Orthodoxy in Croatia.​
    Even in their Serbia they don't have monastaries that are older from 11 century. Good question is what were they before 11 century.:D
    In Bosnia and Herzegovina also nothing before 12,13 century, even for this we need verifications.​
    Serbs are mostly in process of migration: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Serb_Migrations
    After they come, soon they try to get autonomy, state in a state, but no one wants to give them their territory, so they collect weapons, military vehicles and they come on western side. After they lose, they create all sorts of stories and forgeries how they became victims and others are evil people who destroy good Serbs.​
    When they become expelled, they complain how others are evil:​
    Thats why everyone is carefull with them: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Serb_sentiment
    Even their father of Serbian nation, Dobrica Cosic said how Serbs like to invert the truth:​
    No one in their region trusts them, they don't accept international history, foreign historians, authors, they try to take other prominent persons and they proclaim them as Serbs. It's interesting to observe this fact. When someone wins against them and expells them than he is not Serb anymore. When this nation has something good in their history, this is Serbian history than.:D If they are all one nation, why Serbs attack them? They decline our languages, but the fact is that Croatian language is the oldest in those areas.​
    "The beginning of the Croatian written language can be traced to the 9th century."​
    "Prince Rastko Nemanjić (1174–1235), the youngest son of Grand Prince Stefan Nemanja, later left royal life and took monastic vows under the name Sava. During Sava's time as monk in Mount Athos, he wrote the Karyes Typicon, which was implicitly the first codification of the Serbian language."​
    This prince was born in 12th century.:D Before this century Croats had several documents:​
    Created in 1100 year.​
    Created in 11th century. They don't like Wikipedia, only Serbian version is good.:) Croats had tablets much earlier.:rolleyes:
    Bosnian language is 99.98% the same as Croatian. They didn't picked their language from Serbs, because Croatian is the oldest from those three.​
    Article about Chile in Croatian language: http://hr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Čile
    Article about Chile in Bosnian language: http://bs.wikipedia.org/wiki/Čile
    Few words are maybe different.​
    Bosnian Muslims don't accept that they took Croatian language, because many Croats lived in Bosnia and Herzegovina, so they brought Croatian.​
    Serbs consider Bosnian language as Serbian language, they decline both.​
    List of Croatian dictionaries: http://bs.wikipedia.org/wiki/Čile
    Oldest one is from 1595.​
    Author of first Serbian dictionary was born in 1787.​
    They had silly folk customs: His family had a low infant survival rate, thus he was named Vuk ('wolf') so that witches and evil spirits would not hurt him (the name was traditionally given to strengthen the bearer). They still had evil spirits there.​
    Self-thought linguist almost: "Vuk Karadžić was fortunate to be a relative of Jevta Savić Čotrić, the only literate person in the region at the time, who taught him how to read and write."​
    They don't even have the List of Serbian dictionaries.​
    "... and dates back to the late 10th and early 11th centuries.":)
    "The first dictionary of Bosnian language was published in 1631 as the Bosnian-Turkish Dictionary (1631). The first official Bosnian grammar reference book was published in 1890.":)
    Because Croatian and Bosnian are so similar, or equal, Bosnian Muslims try to implement some slang words from Turkish language, or Serbian language, just so that they can be little bit slightly different.:) They all probably print dictionaries now.:D
    "The first Montenegrin standard was officially proposed in July 2009.":) In general they speak like residents of Dubrovnik in Croatia.​
    "Standard Slovene is the national standard language that was formed in the 18th century, mostly based on Upper and Lower Carniolan dialect groups, the latter being a dialect spoken by Primož Trubar.":) Their language is not the same as Croatian, but we understand each other.​
    I don't include Macedonian language, because their language is similar to Bulgarian, they are related with Bulgarians as people.​
    Bulgarian language is from 860 year, 9th century, same as Croatian. But they are not related.​
    Other nations in Balkan Peninsula took Bulgarian or Croatian, depends who was closer to whom. Romanian, Hungarian, Albanian and Greek language are not related with Croatian or Bulgarian. Slovene language is slightly different, but it's much younger than Croatian and we understand each other.:)
    Serbs still can't accept these historic facts, they try to be superior there. When someone says to them: "if you decline non-Serbian people and languages, than Serbia really doesn't have anything". After that we see insults, red cards, warnings.:D Firs they use provocations, after they get injuries, they say how others are evil.:D Magic circle, that never ends. They try to conquer others, victims rise up and attack them, they escape and after that they try to invert the history and they become victims.:D They still live in medieval times, they only talk about the God, how he will protect them from this horrible injustice, everybody will return back to their Serbian roots, but we won't forgive them ever, because they failed us.:D Always the same with them. They want to implement their royal families, they usually have peasant origins, it's not real noblity.​
    Their first ancestor is Karadorde Petrovic: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karađorđe_Petrović
    Kara means Black in Turkish language, Black Jorge.:D "His family was poor, their situation progressed as Karađorđe began working for affluent Serbs and Turks."​
    Same thing about Milos Obrenovic, prince of Serbia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miloš_Obrenović_I,_Prince_of_Serbia
    "Miloš Obrenović was the son of Višnja Gojković (died 1817) and her second husband, Teodor Mihailović (died 1802), a poor peasant from Montenegro." Even he is not from Serbia, he is Montenegrin.:D They went in Montenegro to find some normal peasant as their royal member.:whistling:
    These are they monarchs, probably they have much more peasants, who became kings, princes.​
    Five members of this family had ruling status. But their first ancestor was peasant. After they divided from Christianity in 11 century, they picked their own kings, dukes, etc, so we can see funny things here. Pope never blessed their kings after 1054 and the Great Schism.​
    On the other hand Croatian noble families have patrician origins, they mostly have plebs origins.​
    After 1102 Croatia joined in Austro-Hungarian Monarchy. Croatian kings didn't have children anymore, we could pick anyone else like Serbs, we had many noble families.​
    Some of them were foreign. We could take Frankopan dynasty after 1102. So they have problems because they never had aristocracy, Croatia always had higher level of culture, education, poetry, art, etc.​
    Frankopan dynasty was under foreign conspiracy, Petar Zrinski and Fran Krsto Frankopan were killed.​
    Croatia had their own title: ban​
    Prominent Serbian figures are outlaws and killers also:​
    When someone kills their king in 1934 after they killed in 1914 and 1928, they try to become victims.​
    This king created dictatorship against non-Serbian people, he was king of Yugoslavia where all should be equal.​
    People could not live under him, so he was killed in Marseille. These things which I wrote here are key reasons of our conflicts, peace is possible only if Serbs take over every land and rule again, they would be superior, others would be easy to handle, this is their dream even today. Croats don't accept them.​
    Bosnian Muslims don't accept the fact that they were converted from Roman Catholicism or Orthodox Christianity, before Ottoman Empire, there was no Muslims on that area of Balkan Peninsula in general. They converted local people so they became Muslims.​
    Their history starts in 15th century.:D They don't "know" what happened before.:whistling:
    Even after those sounds against England they said: We haven't seen any problems, everything went in perfectly normal order. This was their official statement. They said that this football r provoked their fans when he needed to hit the ball from out, maybe corner, but he never did anything, this video shows this. He played his role normally, focused on the match, he has long hand passes, this means that he does this all the time, he never had any contact with Serbian fans.​
    Official UEFA observers wrote about racism on the stadium. It's good that Chile doesn't play in Chile against Serbia. After the match they would probably ask for autonomy on Chilean ground, their proof would be: "We live here for centuries".:D On this video her we can see again conflicts between Croats and Serbs, insults, etc. They like to come on our videos also, our tourist commercials, football matches. They converted Croatian national anthem on Serbian national anthem:​
    World Cup in Germany 2006, our anthem started and some Serb took our video and he implemented their peasant anthem.:D This video collected 850 000 views. Title is: Croats are singing Serbian anthem.:D One title in this video: "Croats returned to their roots, but Serbs didn't wanted to forgave them and they never will".:) They really think that we want become Serbs.:thumbsup: At the end, two Croats who are in sorrow, because "Serbs won't accept them".:D
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  22. JAIME CHILE

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    I think that Dusan Tadic is the best Serbian player. He's Chilean's Felipe Gutiérrez(from Quintero, Región de Valparaíso)'s teammate in Twente Enschede.​
    Zoran Tosic is Mark González's teammate in CSKA Moskva.​
    Ljubomir Fejsa is Pablo Contreras's temmate in Olympiakos.
    Nenad Tomovis is Matías Fernández(from La Calera, Región de Valparaíso) and David Pizarro(from Valparaíso, our regional capital)'s teammate in Fiorentina.
  23. Gilbertsson

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    Surname Tadic comes from the Latin name Thaddaeus, it's among top 500 names in Croatia. Serbs never liked Latin language, or Latin Rite in religious sense. Surname Tadic is mostly Croatian surname. Circles show where this surname exists.

    http://imehrvatsko.net/namepages/view/family_name/prezime-tadic-2

    One Croatian footballer: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Josip_Tadić

    Dusan Tadic was born in multiethnic place: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bačka_Topola
    His origins could be Croatian. They consider him as talented player, you noticed this good. Haven't seen this match completely, only highlights.

    Nenad Tomovic was critical player against Macedonia, he replaced Branislav Ivanovic. He made that foul for 11 m.
  24. JAIME CHILE

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  25. MetroChile

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    Me preocupa este partido por Boza y Fernándes.

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