Re: Motta to Naturalize: The Brazillian Who Chose Red I know Sasa, Hwang and Kim Hyun-seok were all great legends but Mota has something different that those three guys didn't. I can't specify it but I just feel it.
I always had hoped that our first foreign player would suck simply to avoid a trend that might be created at using foreign players. Don't want us to fall into a trap that our monkey friends Niponese have dug themselves into. Right now, I'm just praying that foreigner after Mota shits his pants playing for team Korea because I know Mota won't be doing that.
Re: Motta to Naturalize: The Brazillian Who Chose Red I see. What are the "characteristics of an average" Japanese? Me flip out? You're the one who came out with expletives last time.
Park Kang Jo is a Zainichi Korean? And how is that a problem, exactly, for these "purists?" Zainichi Koreans, whether of Mindan or Chongryun allegiance, are ETHNIC Koreans just as North Koreans, Koreans in Manchuria, or Koreans in North and South America are. It's no wonder that Koreans in South Korea feel more kinship with such Koreans than with Japanese or white Americans who actually live IN Korea. Yes, being a Zainichi means cultural differences, just as Korean-Americans are not the same culturally as Seoulite Koreans. But as far as blood goes, there's no difference. BTW, it's interesting you mentioned this potential reaction from the South Korean public. I asked a question on this issue in the other Motta thread.
Meh, it wasn't that long ago Botti said something similar and now he's in the J-League. Cynical perhaps, but this article has certainly got a lot of attention for the newly-launched Korean version of Four Four Two magazine
Re: Motta to Naturalize: The Brazillian Who Chose Red Motta's gonna solve our score problem. I guess I'm kinda 2 ways on this. He's good so I'm glad see him on KNT. But he aint Korean blood so I dont like that. I dont want end up like France or Japans
Re: Motta to Naturalize: The Brazillian Who Chose Red MOTTA!!!! This is great news, not only because he'll be an excellent addition to our NT, but also because of the fact that such a talented and dedicated player is eager to wear our jersey. You're welcome anytime, Motta.
Park Kang Jo is full blood. Jang Dae Il is half but he's in hojuk. Motta dont got drop Korea blood in him. Dont you gotta get in hojuk to get citizen, which family is put up Motta in thier hojuk? I'm glad non-Korea want repesent Korea but I like see Korea face ware Korea flag and Korea jersy. I still think its cheezy for grown adult swich side, gotta be born their or imigrate as kid if dont got blood. I say 1 of these is enough mang, no more non-Korean.
Re: Motta to Naturalize: The Brazillian Who Chose Red Yeah I know what you mean when you say you can feel it. I mean you really gotta watch him play for a long time to see what type of player he really is. When he's on top, he can take on 3 or even 4 players with ease. His dribbling technique is world class, his speed and pace is explosive, his passing and vision is mesmerizing. I don't even need to talk about finishing not to mention his free kick ability is also top class. The best thing about MOTA compared to other foreign imports in the League is that this cat has that fighting spirit that we Koreans talk about. He will never give up, typical attribute of a Korean player and he always throws his best onto the pitch. He's got a lot of passion for Seongnam and on international tournaments he's even got that Korean mentality going on. He's generally a well-mannered player in the K-League understanding when a Korean player fouls him, but when I saw him during A3 he was getting so hyped up by the 쪽발s and the 짜장s it made me crack up. He even ended up with a red Just watching him play is so fascinating and mesmerizing. Sometimes I'm so dumbfounded that with his calibre he's still playing in K-League.
Re: Motta to Naturalize: The Brazillian Who Chose Red uh, let's merge this one w/ the thread in the league forum.
I don't know how the public reaction will be, probably no good, monoracialism and nationality is deep rooted on Koreans, so if this Mota wants to become Korean by national without knowing the public reaction it won't be good for none of the parties. Better keep Brazilian if his decision displease the people. Is he willing to face discrimination? I think not.
I see no problem but Park Kang-jo could have been a scapegoat had things gone bad. Push comes to shove, he's just another jjokbari as much as you are a yankee. However, from what I've seen from Korean portals and soccer sites, everyone seemed pretty excited in a welcoming manner for a blue-eyed Korean. But this conversation is yet too early because "will naturalize" and "naturalized and now ready for the NT" are completely different concepts.
Before 2002 Sasa has declared his intention to naturalize. Then the public reaction was not so bad and he was not selected by KNT coach Hiddink just because of his ability. The current trend is toward most national teams having naturalized players. So now Korean people have open eyes for naturalized players. This is proved in many polls about naturalized players.
----------Lee Dong Gook--------- ---------------Mota-------------- this can probably make a change if it were to ever happen
Park is an ethnic Korean. Culturally, he may be quite different since he was born and raised in Japan. But the 민족 애국심 concept rests on 단일민족... one people, one bloodline, once race. And in this aspect, Park fits the bill just as I would, however "yankeefied" you may think me to be (and I'm not as much of a "yankee" as you might imagine, but you can only judge from these posts, and you probably have your images of what 교포들 are like.).
He probably doesn't know how Koreans in Korea can and will and do discriminate and look down on anybody they perceive to be different from them. Just ask the full-blooded Koreans from north of the DMZ who now live in South Korea.
Do you really think people nowadays faithfully believe in the 단일민족 concept, say, compared to 10 years ago? Welcome to the 21st Century, fellas. It's all about who can bring in more bang for the buck, not about some mid-20th Century nationalistic sentiment. Sure, there will be public unrest the moment Mota steps foot on Paju NFC (IF he ever does), but the minute he scores during the 2010 WC, he's going to be a national hero - bottomline, if he can do what he does in the K, the matter will be moot.
If he score hero, if he suck people will say he dont got fight spirit for Korea. I guess we're gotta learn to accept this. Theirs more foreiners every time I go to Seoul do all the low class work Koreans dont wanna do anymoore.
not korean blood. i hope this doesn't go through isn't it weird having a foreigner scoring all our goals? what if the guy was japanese. i wouldn't want a naturalized japanese guy as the KNT's top scorer.
Re: Motta to Naturalize: The Brazillian Who Chose Red [youtube]2YUhMBcwA1k[/youtube] In this video you can watch Mota's goals(01:40, 03:10, 04:40) when he scored 32 goals in 2003 playing for Brazilian Division 1 team 'Cruzeiro . Cruzeiro won Brazilian Division 1 in 2003. These are Mota's goals. http://dory.mncast.com/mncHMovie.swf?movieID=10002526220061125143539&skinNum=1 (against Suwon in 2006 K-League final) http://dory.mncast.com/mncHMovie.swf?movieID=10002526220061111145249&skinNum=1 (against FCS this season) http://dory.mncast.com/mncHMovie.swf?movieID=10002526220070415164438&skinNum=1 (against Pohang this season) http://flvs.daum.net/flvPlayer.swf?vid=h3HCfPN5-nQ$ (against Incheon this season) http://dory.mncast.com/mncHMovie.swf?movieID=10002183120070523211104&skinNum=1 (against Shandong in 2007 ACL)
Mota(Seongnam) compilation http://dory.mncast.com/mncHMovie.swf?movieID=10045392320070626170846&skinNum=1
I dont have a problem of a foreigner playing for the NT if his willing to give his blood,sweat and tears for the NT and can actually be of benifit which Mota certainly has the ability to do.
Is he willing to change his nationality to the cost of being discriminated? If he does it won't be good for both parties. On one side will get displeased on the other get the burden of being discriminated. Is he making a good decision, won't he regret later? I wouldn't feel any good if a foreigner represented our national team, it wouldn't feel any original or authentic.