Seleção 2011 - General discussion and news [R]

some of you guys are dismissing ronaldinho after only one friendly. 5 games are way too much especially for this position and especially for a player who hasn't proven anything yet. Mano discarded a lot of players after only one game. brazil lack creativity i think ronaldinho still can provide that. the team lack free kick takers. ronaldinho can still provide that. he is not going to be the ronaldinho of barcelona. no body can reach that level again. but i think he is the best for that position. i would never put ronaldinho on the the left. he is better being free and playing ganso's position.

I am not attacking kaka i think he is an awesome player. but the point i was trying to make is that kaka had never played a good world cup but yet you want him in the team while dropping ronaldinho saying that you cant remember when was the last time he played well for brasil. the bias was too blatant. that is the reason i decided to post. i usually dont

Ronaldinho has ALWAYS played on the left and has had the freedom to roam towards the middle. When he was used in the middle in 2006, he wasn't effective. The only time Ronaldinho seemed to roam all over the field was in 2002. Back then he was much more mobile. Ronaldinho in the middle playing as a playmaker IMO will be a disaster as he couldn't do that role when he was in his prime.

I never said I wanted Kaka. Plus ... you can't judge the future from the past. Specially with a player like Ronaldinho who has changed so much. 2002 and 2011 Ronaldinho are 2 very different players.

im talking about now ronaldinho is better than the players mano is selecting. i disagree ronaldinho would be a disaster. may be it is not our best option but for godsake get rid of ganso. cannot get worse than that

I agree that Ganso's performances for Brasil have been sub-par. The difference is that Ganso has good potential to improve since he is young. Ronaldinho is what it is and won't be getting any better.

Ganso has not been that great with the NT so far, agreed, but we have to remember that he is not close to where he was pre-knee injury. He needs to get 100% healthy before we make any conclusion on whether he is right for the ACM spot for us going forward.

Those acl injuries usually take 10-12 months to heal from, then another 1 to 2 years to regain that explosivness and become fully confident in the knee again(planting and exploding on that leg). He injured his knee in August of last year, so he is only 11 months into rehab. Give him time, he deserves it with his talent level and feel for the game.

Ganso is a no. 10, and the team refuses to play through him consistently.

In the very first friendly of Mano's tenure, Ganso touched the ball a lot of times. the play went through him, and it was beautiful. Granted, he was injured in Copa America, but the team by passed him.

the team refused to pass him the ball is no excuse. he needs to get involved.this is only show he doesn't have the leadership of a number 10. the only decent game he played for brasil was against the usa. he was agreably the worst player in the field. many of you are dismissing ronaldinho because of the same attitude. i am not saying ronaldinho is the right choice. he is 30 and declining. what i am saying so far at the present is better than ganso for the playmaking position. heck, baptista is better than ganso right now. if he isn't fit dropped him. give someone else a chance until he improves. his untouchable status annoys me. he doesn't deserve it. at least not yet. you guys are blaming andre santos. but stop short to identify the real culprit.

overall, i think mano is doing a terrible job. guys like douglas costa hernandes need a chance. his system wont work in todays game. brasil become so predictable all what teams have to do to play against brasil is to crowd the middle. neymar, robinho dani alves are too similar they all cut inside. we need to use the left and right flank more often. it will open up the middle a little bit. and make us less predictable. there is no good free kick takers on that team. no dead ball specialist. (well elano is on the bench). or we need guys like douglas costa who can take two or three defenders to create rooms. if you are going to play with ganso. i think you need another offensive minded person in the middle. i would use a 5-2-1-2 this system is well balanced i think

One could argue 'Hernandes' had his chance and blew it; one could also argue that he had a chanceinho (!) because we asked to play wide left and that is not him.

If being sent off x France in that fashion is held against him then that is harsh by Mano. I am with him re Marcelo though (and I do like Marcelo as a player).

brasil_forever, I agree that Ganso has displayed some of the same attitudes that Ronaldinho showed and I criticized him for it. Ganso gets a slight break though because he is young, and promising and he also not that long ago came back from a serious injury. Ronaldinho has really no excuse. I will say this if Ganso doesn't shape up; in the next couple of games; I don't care how promising he is he should be dropped.

Not really sure why we are comparing a 21yr old promising player that will most likely be playing in 2014WC to a 30yr old player that will most like NOT be playing in 2014. Congratulations to Ronaldinho for his recent form. His reward "might" be a call-up for the Copa Roca.
As for Ganso, I agree with everyone that he has under-achieved so far for the Selecao. Maybe it’s due to injury or what not. We'll find out in the next 3 yrs if he's the #10 in 2014.
My point is that we are going through a transitional period these next couple years and by bringing a player from 2 WC ago to fill the void knowing he wont be there in 2014 is not the most logical thing. Also, for whatever reason Ganso is not playing in the same role/position for Brazil as he does for Santos therefore not performing the same way.

Yes he was. But honestly, as an example, in the Flamengo game he went completely missing in the 2nd half which I found very strange and discouraging because it was a very open game.

makes sense

welll you have a point about not bringing ronaldinho becoz quite frankly is not going tomake it. my fear is that ganso is showing the wrong attitute. ronaldinho at his age was very hungry and thats what make great player. he already satisfied n this attitude has nothing to do with his injury hope im wrong

Ronaldinho is now the top goal scorer in the Brasileirao with 9 goals, and one of the top assisters in the Brasileirao. Ronaldinho has dominated the past few games, and has made the difference in each and every game. Ronaldinho finished with Santos, one of the best teams in the world today. Ronaldinho’s current Futebol is still brilliant, beautiful to watch, effective, his dribbles still destroy defenses or attract a dangerous foul shot, and his vision of the game and passing is unmatched by any player. He may not have the explosion he had in the Barca days, but Jesus, do you see any other player today in the Brasileirao doing what Ronaldinho is doing (with the exception of Neymar of course)? Hell no.
And you people sit there and ask if Ronaldinho deserves a call up?

Further, Ronaldinho’s performance was not bad in the only friendly he played under Mano. IMO it was a solid performance and effective towards the creation of a goal. I was surprised he was not called up again.
Maybe not to take the starting roll, especially with his weakness in defense, but hell can you imagine if we had Ronaldinho against Holland in SA, and he was put in the second half instead of the absurd substitution made by Dunga? I can guarantee you that a Ronaldinho coming in the game is million times more effective than putting in lame players like Elias, or Jadson, or what ever. Ridiculous.

I am not saying Ronaldinho should take the place of a Ganso as the genius in Ganso we have all seen. Hell I would even try Ronaldinho as a drop back attacking forward if all else fails. Ronaldinho would be a tremendous option off the bench for our NT – GUARANTEED. Ronaldinho is motivated and has stated his principal objective has always been to return to the Selecao and I think he should.
I don’t care if he will be 33 in 2014. Age means nothing; only a number. Performance is what matters.

I agree with you 100%. The national team needs a great passer like Ronaldinho.

Isn´t in Brazil some better player Nr. 9 than Pato now? I didn´t like much his performance in Copa America - he was one of the weakest links I think. But he isn´t a typical Nr. 9, Ibrahimovic and Inzaghi have played it in AC Milan, Pato is a second striker or a winger .......

Luis Fabiano is a better 9 than Pato. Hopefully, when he recovers he get another chance. You could argue Nilmar is better than Pato as well which is one of the reason why Pato miss the World Cup.


Concerning Ronaldinho, no one question his ability but his commitment and motivation. What is going to keep 31 year old Ronaldinho hungry for the NT? Copa America? He won. World Cup? He won. Confederation Cup? He won.

Droping Robinho and puting Ronaldinho along with Ganso wont be a bad idea...
Ronaldinho even at this age is far better and decisive than Robinho ever was!!

32 year old Forlan makes a huge difference for Uruguay.Most probably Forlan will be a starter for Uruguay in 2014..
So why not Ronaldinho if he's fit and in good form?
I agree that Nilmar and Fabiano are better option than Pato who's injury prone and inconsistent.

Ganso and Ronaldinho on the pitch would makes me pull my hair out. Brazil would be static, slow and the our off the ball movement would suffer. Also, both players have a tendency to be lazy.

Age is not the problem, motivation is. I never seen Forlan put half assess performances for Uruguay. He plays his heart out for Uruguay and he does not do it by goals and assist either. His performance when Uruguay went down to 10 men against Argentina says it all.

Have you seen Forlan's dedication on the field ? Even at his age he runs around as if he was 10 years younger. That guy is in top physical shape because it's obvious he has taken care of himself. Have you ever seen him without his shirt ? He is still ripped.