Re: America is letting the world down Lol, and I wonder how many ex News of the World scumbags will resurface to work on the Sunday edition? This is all so Murdoch. "Close down" the N of the W because now its name is dirt, "rebrand" it as The Sun's Sunday edition and try to carry on as though nothing's happened.
Re: America is letting the world down I don't think the News of the World can be liquidated without liquidating the Sun and the Times as well. They are all under the same company.
Re: America is letting the world down really? you haven't been following British policing the last few years, have you? the police is full of scumbags. and I don't expect journalists to be any more likely to be scumbags then the police. let's not forget that if it weren't for the Guardian journalists this would never have come out.
Re: America is letting the world down do you know the exact legal structure of the group by any chance?
Re: America is letting the world down On the one hand, it's hard to be sympathetic to people who chose to work at NotW. But on the other hand, with the print news media being what it is, there aren't that many newspaper jobs around.
NI/NOTW phone hacking scandal Really? Deep Throat turned out to be the disgruntled Associate Director of the FBI! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/W._Mark_Felt Also, cops like their free newpapers.
Re: America is letting the world down Most people have a lower expectation of tabloid journalists, (it's important to differentiate between them and the broadsheets), than the police. Well, surely, he'd be an example of a copper, (well... sort of), who was fighting AGAINST corruption, wouldn't he? It won't be liquidated as far as I can tell and, in any event, nobody's mentioned anything about that apart from this guy who sounds a bit of a plonker. One of the comments under the piece says... What utter rot is this? The News of the World is not a corporation and, so, cannot go into liquidation/administration/receivership. The News of the World is a title/brand name owned by News Group Newspapers Ltd (“NGN”). NGN has the liabilities, the papers and the obligations. It also owns The Sun, which is not being closed down. NGN is not entering any sort of insolvency/liquidation. That reflects the wiki entry as well... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/News_of_the_World The newspaper is published by News Group Newspapers of News International, itself a subsidiary of Rupert Murdoch's News Corporation, and is the Sunday sister paper of The Sun. Maybe the guy, (who specialises in media rights, intellectual property rights and human rights), should stick to giving advice to fellas like Julian Assange, (for which he wasn't paid as far as I know), rather than trying to delve into corporate and criminal law about which, by the looks of it, he knows sod-all about. Frankly regardless of whether NOTW is a separate company or not, there's no WAY a liquidator is going to risk being charged for destroying material which could be the subject of criminal proceedings as this stuff would be.
Re: America is letting the world down In any event you can't liquidate until all outstanding liabilities are dealt with Otherwise people would use it to default on debts and claims
Re: America is letting the world down Wonder if Coulson is going to cop to the whole thing then? Also - I presume the policemen who accepted 100K in bribes will be arrested?
Re: America is letting the world down James Murdoch has admitted sanctioning payments (in the region of £1m) to keep Gordon Taylor quiet. Is this going to be investigated? Currently watching Cameron squirm at a press conference as every other question is about Coulson.
Re: America is letting the world down Those are legit civil settlements IIRC How can he not have known about Coulson when even I knew? Anyone with a copy of private eye knew all about Coulson & Brooks
Re: America is letting the world down But as the claim involved a criminal act (phone hacking of Taylor), could it not be looked at as attempting to pervert the course of justice?
Re: America is letting the world down No. In the investigation and prosecution of Goodman and Mulcaire, the police warned Taylor and a small number of other people about hacking. Taylor and others then sued News, who settled confidentially to shut up the civil actions. But Goodman and Mulcaire did in fact serve time for that. IIRC Mulcaire was charged on a short list of representative offences. The perversion was the MET accepting News' story that only one bad apple was involved. For some reason MET never investigated further and never raided News.
Re: America is letting the world down I think it's about time the Brits broke out the Guy Fawkes masks...
Re: America is letting the world down haha! Well that has been the problem all along for civil plaintiffs. The unusual decision of the MET not to warn people like the deputy prime minister WTF?
NI/NOTW phone hacking scandal When, and how, it suited his own purposes: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/W._Mark_Felt "Among the criminal groups that the FBI investigated in the early 1970s was the Weather Underground. The case ended up being dismissed because of illegal activities by the FBI, including wiretaps, break-ins and mail interceptions. The lead federal prosecutor on the case, William C. Ibershof, claims that Mark Felt and Attorney General John N. Mitchell initiated these illegal activities that tainted the investigation." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/W._Mark_Felt#Trial_and_conviction "Felt ... authorized FBI agents to break into homes secretly in 1972 and 1973, without a search warrant, on nine separate occasions. These kinds of FBI burglaries were known as "black bag jobs." The break-ins occurred at five addresses in New York and New Jersey, at the homes of relatives and acquaintances of Weather Underground members, and did not lead to the capture of any fugitives. The use of "black bag jobs" by the FBI was declared unconstitutional by the United States Supreme Court" The boon: "Reagan wrote: Pursuant to the grant of authority in article II, section 2 of the Constitution of the United States, I have granted full and unconditional pardons to W. Mark Felt"
Re: America is letting the world down I don't understand the benefit the tabloids would gain from hacking into the phones of ordinary people who were murdered or soldiers killed in action. Now I can see if it were a politician or some other public figure where they could gain some confidential information, but ordinary people, especially those who had already died, I don't get it.
Re: America is letting the world down Oh, no doubt. I was just talking about the 'deep throat' case. Ah well, that raises an important question. When IS it acceptable for a journalist to break the law? The obvious answer is never but in the case of a matter of 'public interest', (as opposed to something that interests the public), then it might be a defense, (moral if not legal), to say, 'I was doing it to further the public good. http://blogs.journalism.co.uk/edito...eak-the-rules-says-former-prosecutions-chief/ http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/greenslade/2010/dec/01/wikileaks-the-us-embassy-cables TBH I don't think this is a simple issue by ANY means. When you're talking about most of the cases the NOTW did, (and, I suspect, quite a few of the other tabloids), what you're REALLY talking about is journalists sending PI's on 'fishing expeditions' to try and find dirt so they could blackmail people into giving them a story, sometimes on a totally different matter. http://www.vanityfair.com/business/...urdoch-news-of-the-world-201106?currentPage=2 Hoare had worked closely with Andy Coulson for a long time. He described an enormously competitive tabloid culture: “Your brief, above all else, was to deliver.” The advantage of phone hacking, Hoare said, was that it provided verification of rumors. Once a journalist had confirmed a story through phone hacking, he could take the tidbit to the celebrity’s publicist and begin trading. “You’d say, I’ve got this detail. I don’t want to ******** over your client, but what do you have for me?” Then the publicist would offer an alternative story, and Hoare would back off, all the while knowing he had the initial piece of information if he ever needed it. “It’s not really about journalism,” he said. “It’s negotiation. It’s basically like Wall Street with words.” This is about as corrupt as it's possible to get IMO. What we DON'T want to see is decent investigative journalism, (mainly done by the broadsheets), being scuppered because of this tawdry nonsense.
Re: America is letting the world down Phone records and credit card statements were also a good way of trawling. e.g. If you can see who someone is texting, then you can look into it. And I have certainly heard about the tradeoff. Get some dirt and swap it for an exclusive.
Re: America is letting the world down I would find that very surprising. News International is the parent company, which in turn is part of News Corporation. You can liquidate a company without liquidating the parent company or sister companies. EDIT: Just done some reading and apparently the NotW is not a company in itself, just a trading name. It is indeed part of News Group Newspapers Ltd. Baffling why they would choose to set it up that way.
Re: America is letting the world down As a journalist, you got to eat. I feel bad for those who weren't involved that are losing a steady paycheck because of some idiot bosses. Journalism's a tough field to get into but fortunately, it's also a very connected field. That aside, I'm hoping that those that weren't involved are able to find a job, even if it means going into PR.