Rummenigge: International calendar may have to change

Discussion in 'MLS: General' started by Paul Calixte, Jan 30, 2013.

  1. CeltTexan

    CeltTexan Member+

    Sep 21, 2000
    Houston, TX USA
    Club:
    Houston Dynamo
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    The Argentine football calendar is a good go by.
    They try to avoid the dead of Winter and the dead of Summer.
     
  2. Unak78

    Unak78 BigSoccer Supporter

    Dec 17, 2007
    PSG & Enyimba FC
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Nigeria
    A Super Bowl that should have gone there ten years ago. Granted I like the fact that it will be exposed to the elements. Who knows when they'll do that again. I'm hoping for snow.
     
  3. EvanJ

    EvanJ Member+

    Manchester United
    United States
    Mar 30, 2004
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    That requires either a midseason break or two seasons per year and I'm not a fan of either one of those.
     
  4. sitruc

    sitruc Member+

    Jul 25, 2006
    Virginia
    The thought of all of the media people who get a fully comped trip complaining while watching inside of suites is already giving me a headache.
     
  5. redinthemorning

    redinthemorning Member+

    Apr 26, 2011
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    Houston Dynamo
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    The Apertura/ Clausura system would be pretty fun personally. I just think it'd be hard to follow, even for die-hards (myself included). Personally, I dig the current MLS system.

    The bigger issue for me is transfer windows as a concept. While I realize a "trade deadline" is effectively the same thing, limiting movements to twelve weeks at a nation's discretion just seems awkward to me. Personally I'd like a system where a player, say, can't be moved after a club has played X number of games in their season, with certain safeguards for postponed/ canceled games and schedule imbalances. It would protect players from being thrown in the fire with just a few weeks left in the season, but give clubs/ players more leeway in negotiations so amicable agreements can be met.
     
  6. leg_breaker

    leg_breaker Member

    Dec 23, 2005
    It's always been played in winter, it's a winter sport. If you want to play in summer there's cricket.
     
  7. CeltTexan

    CeltTexan Member+

    Sep 21, 2000
    Houston, TX USA
    Club:
    Houston Dynamo
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Our MLS took a break for South Africa'10, you are still alive.
    There are times of the year that nation's avoid playing. Check. In our nation we play right through the heat and humidity yet cease to play in the ice and snow.
    Perhaps our calendar could be more like what other nation's do and look to avoid both extremes in temperature.
     
  8. CeltTexan

    CeltTexan Member+

    Sep 21, 2000
    Houston, TX USA
    Club:
    Houston Dynamo
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    United States
    I like the long season as well, however in a split calendar or Opening and Closing set up like Argentina and others is that as Americans and Canucks, we can come up with a way to celebrate what exists in our sports culture, I.e. Conferences, an All-Star game, playoffs and make it all work with what soccer piles on with domestic cup, regional cup requirements and most importantly FIFA Tournaments.
    Years back on bigsoccer we batted around the concept of if Garber really wants the NBA model of Eastern and Western Conferences, a mid season ASG and the long season that ends with a very quick playoffs well it was suggested by myself and others that perhaps one better way of doing it would be to play part of the MLS season as intra Conference then the All-Star break/game then close out with inter Conference action to conclude the points race and then playoffs to MLS Cup Final. Kinda like what we enjoy from college gridiron and other sports.. You play non conference teams and usually focus the rest of the season on the Conference title run.
    For me it gives team's several trophies to play for over the course of the traditional long MLS season. There is the Conference championship to be won. Perhaps having a league Cup between the two Conference winners. That is a trophy to be had for us fans early on. Factor in the USOC chase and that trophy along the way mid season. Break for Summer/FIFA Tournaments.
    Then go inter league play to find the SS trophy winner factoring in the entire season's results. Ending with the MLS Cup trophy up for grabs. Add to that the CCL for a few MLS teams to hunt for. It celebrates our North American way of doing things, avoids the weather extremes and yet keeps the long season for the points race and playoffs.
    This concept was out there with a balanced schedule to be had I must say.
     
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  9. Potowmack

    Potowmack Member+

    Apr 2, 2010
    Washington, DC
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    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    That's not really much of an argument, frankly.
     
  10. leg_breaker

    leg_breaker Member

    Dec 23, 2005
    What the fact that football is, and always has been, a winter sport?
     
  11. Darkwing McQuack

    Darkwing McQuack BigSoccer Supporter

    Nov 11, 2011
    Morrisville, PA
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    It's and outdoor sport and in my opinion all outdoor sports should play in summer when its warm. If you want to watch a winter sport go to your local arena and watch an indoor sport like hockey or basketball.
     
  12. CeltTexan

    CeltTexan Member+

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    Houston, TX USA
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    Houston Dynamo
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    United States
    Unless you actually have to, you know, play midfield in the Summer. At the pro level that is.
    Besides, there is the small matter of FIFA Tournaments in our Summer months that demand fixture understanding. More so if Garber really is shooting for our MLS to be one of the top league's on our planet. Top class players play club n country roles. So if you had a starting XI in Philly where each man went off for a month every two or 4 years, to play Houston where we faced similar roster call ups, this would e tough on MLS managers and league integrity to carry on while lacking so many dudes.
     
  13. JasonMa

    JasonMa Member+

    Mar 20, 2000
    Arvada, CO
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Nobody tell Brazil this. We wouldn't want them to realize they need change to play in our winter(their summer) in order to become a top league with top players. Hell, they may even consider taking breaks and not playing on FIFA dates in our summer (their winter).
     
  14. Potowmack

    Potowmack Member+

    Apr 2, 2010
    Washington, DC
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    DC United
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    United States
    In large swathes of Europe, at least, summers are pretty mild. The average high temperature in Barcelona, for example, is 82 Fahrenheit. Summer temperatures aren't really that much of an issue in Europe like they would be in Florida or Texas.
     
  15. Potowmack

    Potowmack Member+

    Apr 2, 2010
    Washington, DC
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    DC United
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    United States
    The fact that it has always been a winter sport in some countries isn't an argument for that remaining the case going forward.
     
  16. TheJoeGreene

    TheJoeGreene Member+

    Aug 19, 2012
    The Lubbock Texas
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    DC United
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    Germany
    Opinion is irrelevant on the matter. NFL is a fall/winter sport and always has been. Are they "wrong" because they play an outdoor sport that is intentionally not played in the summer?
     
  17. Darkwing McQuack

    Darkwing McQuack BigSoccer Supporter

    Nov 11, 2011
    Morrisville, PA
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Yup, never understood why that was played in winter as well.
     
  18. CeltTexan

    CeltTexan Member+

    Sep 21, 2000
    Houston, TX USA
    Club:
    Houston Dynamo
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    United States
    Is Brasil a top 5 league in the world?
    How many Italian, Irish, English, Scottish, French, Swiss, Polish, Swedish, Mexican, Bulgarian, German current or former captains play(ed) there? None. How many play(ed) in our MLS. Every nation listed above.
    Their league's plans are different than The Don's. Their club culture is to grow their own crops. Garber wants to eventually be like the EPL and be a buying talent league.
    Association football is THE dominant sport down there as well.In our nation it is not obviously.
    They are an Equator nation as well so their seasonal shift is nothing like ours or even Argentina too their South.
     
  19. CeltTexan

    CeltTexan Member+

    Sep 21, 2000
    Houston, TX USA
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    Houston Dynamo
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    United States
    Or Missoui or Utah. It gets hot in those States in the dead of Summer.
     
  20. Kejsare

    Kejsare Member+

    Portland Timbers
    Mar 10, 2010
    Virginia
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    United States
    Association football and college football started when school started.

    End of story.
     
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  21. ceezmad

    ceezmad Member+

    Mar 4, 2010
    Chicago
    Club:
    Chicago Red Stars
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Wasn't Forlan the captain for Uruguay?

    I know DeNigris (the older dead brother) played for Santos for a short while.

    Regarding top 5, well some would argue the Brazileirato is the same or just below the French league so 5th or 6th at the very least.


    It is true that Brazil has not that many International players from outside South America (they do restrict their number to 5) but they do have more FIFA club world cups than any other country (and 3rd most Intercontinental cups after Argentina and Italy).

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Club_World_Cup#Performances

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intercontinental_Cup_(football)#By_country
     
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  22. deejay

    deejay Member+

    Feb 14, 2000
    Tarpon Springs, FL
    Club:
    Jorge Wilstermann
    Nat'l Team:
    Bolivia
    There can never be a set of dates that will work well for all countries. End of story.
     
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  23. CeltTexan

    CeltTexan Member+

    Sep 21, 2000
    Houston, TX USA
    Club:
    Houston Dynamo
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Being that our two countries of MLS are so vast, your point hits home. Our league's schedule going with a season that is rather short, 8 months compared to many other leagues going 9 to 10 months outta the year, the time of the year MLS could be played either in the bitter cold or dangerous heat is for other cities in our league at that same time mild cold and or mild heat.
    That is why I suggested avoiding playing in the peak months in Toronto cold and Texas heat. Which would be getting our league to play year round basically as it isn't when the league starts and ends play, rather where it starts and where it concludes all the while scheduling home games when it is mild cold or mild heat and giving our pros really only one month of an offseason.
     
  24. JasonMa

    JasonMa Member+

    Mar 20, 2000
    Arvada, CO
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    When you include the playoffs and MLS Cup (something that is never going away) the MLS offseason length is within the same 10 day window of most other major leagues. Many teams who aren't in or are eliminated from the playoffs still train in that time. It would be difficult to lengthen the season much more because of that as the players need a minimum amount of time off.
     
  25. leg_breaker

    leg_breaker Member

    Dec 23, 2005
    No offence but that comment just makes you sound soft. No wonder football has such a bad reputation amongst Americans if people like you are the ones following the game.

    So if the Victorians could manage to play in the winter, why can't you?
     
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