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Discussion in 'Real Salt Lake' started by SoccerPrime, Apr 8, 2009.

  1. Boz

    Boz RSL Family

    Jul 14, 2004
    Club:
    --other--
    Post Match news roundup Here
     
  2. GoRSL

    GoRSL Member+

    Jan 7, 2013
    47.615587, -122.200340
    Club:
    Real Salt Lake
    ...damn roller coaster season...:sick:
     
  3. ccb1212

    ccb1212 Member

    Sep 5, 2006
    West Jordan,UT
    Club:
    Real Salt Lake
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  4. Jester4422

    Jester4422 Member

    Nov 29, 2012
    Club:
    Real Salt Lake
    I hope you are sending these stats to Jason and the FO.... Seriously, I'll even pay for postage.
     
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  5. 15 to 32

    15 to 32 Straw Hog

    Jul 1, 2008
    Salt Lake
    Club:
    Real Salt Lake
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Sending these via snail mail wouldn't exactly give the best first impression...
     
  6. SenordrummeR2

    SenordrummeR2 Member+

    Jul 21, 2008
    Layton, UT
    Club:
    Real Salt Lake
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    It's the personal touch and care that gets through to people. It may work even better if you send them in red envelopes.
     
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  7. ccb1212

    ccb1212 Member

    Sep 5, 2006
    West Jordan,UT
    Club:
    Real Salt Lake
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    In my latest blog post, I took a look a shooting statistics. Take a look at it here
     
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  8. BalanceUT

    BalanceUT RSL and THFC!

    Oct 8, 2006
    Appalachia
    Club:
    Real Salt Lake
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I'm a stats nerd, too. But, context is essential and inference has to be cautious. For instance, when looking at the high shots on goal percentages for midfielders, that may be a manifestation of RSL's strong tendency to look inside the 18 for a shot. Those shots are going to be much more likely taken by Forwards. The Midfielders, therefore, are probably taking shots that are better than the thing that Kreis doubtless pounds into their head: Look for the pass to the forward on the run towards goal. That is, the shot was so open (the goal so available) that it simply had to be taken. The Forwards, however, are getting closed down tightly when receiving the ball, they have few options but know that they must make a try, they are close, a little luck and it's a goal, so they shoot, maybe a deflection, maybe a rebound, and it's in. So, they are taking worse shots because worse shots are all that are available. But, their job is to shoot, so they do, even when the chances are lower.
     
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  9. ccb1212

    ccb1212 Member

    Sep 5, 2006
    West Jordan,UT
    Club:
    Real Salt Lake
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I interviewed RSL Strength and Conditioning coach Dan Barlow about the mi Coach training system that the team has started to use. Read about it here.
     
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  10. UPinSLC

    UPinSLC Member+

    Jul 11, 2004
    SL,UT
    Club:
    Real Salt Lake
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    pretty cool stuff, i imagine there is going to be a massive shift in the data when comparing game situations and practice situations. this can help coaches find ways to replicate game situations rather than letting players get complacent with practice situations. the added stress and motivational forces that a player experiences immediately before and during a game are something that you always here cant be replicated. it was a tangible thing that you often heard reflected in "you can practice all you want, but to really get better you need game time." well maybe this system will help put numbers and data towards describing just what makes the game situation so different physiologically compared to a practice session. then coaches can construct practice sessions to better mirror that.
     
  11. Boz

    Boz RSL Family

    Jul 14, 2004
    Club:
    --other--
    More please.


    :cool:
     
  12. ccb1212

    ccb1212 Member

    Sep 5, 2006
    West Jordan,UT
    Club:
    Real Salt Lake
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Here is my latest Monday morning article. Crunching the Numbers- San Jose

    I also had the chance to interview Garth Lagerwey to talk with him about his thoughts on stats in general and the team's use of statistical analysis. You can find that on RSL Soapbox
     
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  13. UPinSLC

    UPinSLC Member+

    Jul 11, 2004
    SL,UT
    Club:
    Real Salt Lake
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    This is pretty amazing to me:

    It seems like just surfing the net it takes an incredible amount of effort to even find small amounts of general information on players (when we get rumors about who the team is scouting). It's even crazier when you consider the millions of kids/players that exist outside this country on other continents who are playing and vying for a dream scenario. That's a huge amount of data that has to be collected and organized in a usable fashion. Given the resources (or more precisely, the lack there of) a lot of countries have for those types of things it's incredible such a system exists.
     
  14. ccb1212

    ccb1212 Member

    Sep 5, 2006
    West Jordan,UT
    Club:
    Real Salt Lake
    Nat'l Team:
    United States

    To expand on what I wrote in the article, there are various sources around the world that collect the data. From the sounds of it, there wasn't one source that has all the data. Depending on where the player was playing, they would have to go different places to find out the information that they were looking for. Garth said though that for the most part, Africa is a big black hole because there are no sources collecting the data there.
     
  15. Allez RSL

    Allez RSL Member+

    Jun 20, 2007
    Home
    Do they (the RSL FO) have to buy the data from those sources, or is it available publicly?
     
  16. UPinSLC

    UPinSLC Member+

    Jul 11, 2004
    SL,UT
    Club:
    Real Salt Lake
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Well ya, I can imagine one company trying to do all that would be impossible. Still pretty cool though.
     
  17. ccb1212

    ccb1212 Member

    Sep 5, 2006
    West Jordan,UT
    Club:
    Real Salt Lake
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I had some of these numbers in the Forward thread but here is the current stats on our striker partnerships.
     
  18. Boz

    Boz RSL Family

    Jul 14, 2004
    Club:
    --other--
    'ǝɯ oʇ spɹɐʍʞɔɐq puɐ uʍop ǝpısdn ǝq oʇ pǝsn sɹǝqɯnu

    but not anymore, thanks to ccb1212.

    :cool:
     
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  19. ccb1212

    ccb1212 Member

    Sep 5, 2006
    West Jordan,UT
    Club:
    Real Salt Lake
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
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  20. UPinSLC

    UPinSLC Member+

    Jul 11, 2004
    SL,UT
    Club:
    Real Salt Lake
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Very good observations, I completely agree with the analysis. Let's also not forget that while we might see the retirement/departure of Sabo, Morales, Borchers, Rimando, etc, they will also open up a HUGE amount of salary space. A meaty portion of that will probably go to giving raises to these youngsters should they grow into the players we all hope they can be, but there should still be plenty available to go out and make some decent "veteran" signings should we need them.
     
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  21. goobx1

    goobx1 Member+

    Jul 9, 2007
    Salt Lake

    I also liked your assessments with one disagreement.

    Gil. I don't see what makes him a lock for Europe, at least not in a way that would be financially beneficial to RSL.

    If, IF he goes to Europe it will be a lateral or even step down from MLS play.

    Yes, he is only 19 but shouldn't he be playing at a higher level for all of the love he gets about his possible future accomplishments? He does have 2 goals and an assist but he goes long, long stretches of games where he doesn't even touch the ball. He has disappeared more often than Wondo this season for a lot less money which is nice.

    Perhaps his play with the U20 team will be enough to warrant teams from Europe wanting to pay for his services but if he can't light up the MLS at 19 how on earth would he be expected to do so anywhere else that is considered steps above play in the US?

    I hope I am wrong but I'm not seeing it.
     
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  22. DrownedElf

    DrownedElf Member+

    Jul 5, 2010
    Ogden
    Club:
    Real Salt Lake
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I really look forward to the next few years and how the players develop. If they trend in the right direction we'd be pretty set in the forward dept with Findley, Plata, Garcia, and Sandoval. Midfield I think we'd need to recruit for depth and replacing Ned/KB. I'm not convinced Alvarez is starting material so I think KB will be the bigger loss when he eventually declines or retires. Our defense overall looks good for the future, possibly needing help on the outside backs if Mansally/Palmer don't pan out.

    Assuming people want to stay, I think we're in a good position over the next few years and won't need to replace many parts year to year.
     
  23. ccb1212

    ccb1212 Member

    Sep 5, 2006
    West Jordan,UT
    Club:
    Real Salt Lake
    Nat'l Team:
    United States

    You make some very good points about Gil. In fact, by my geeky stats the team plays way better when he is off the field than when he is on. But there is a lot of talk about him eventually moving on. There was an article in the Trib about it today even.

    http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/sports/56421378-77/gil-rsl-luis-cup.html.csp

    I think the key is the U-20's. If he plays well, I can see the team getting offers for him. And it really wouldn't surprise me if they take them. I think the hype for Gil is higher than what he is actually worth. My guess is that the team sees this as well and will try and sell him now while he is high. Especially with someone like Velasquez on the roster.
     
  24. DrownedElf

    DrownedElf Member+

    Jul 5, 2010
    Ogden
    Club:
    Real Salt Lake
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    goob, I also don't see him leaving for Europe, but I also wouldn't be surprised if a lower level team took a shot on him. He's the type of guy that could really explode over the next few years, or fade like Adu. It's really hard to tell at this point. For the right price a team might take a shot on him.
     
  25. RoyalNonesuch

    RoyalNonesuch Member+

    May 10, 2009
    Club:
    Real Salt Lake
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    This is why recruiting/scouting is difficult. You can't simulate how people will grow and play against top level speed/technicality/physicality etc. Often times guys that excel at lower levels top out early and have hit their ceiling.
     

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