Ronaldinho Gaucho, part 3 [R]

Discussion in 'Brazil' started by AcesHigh, Apr 13, 2012.

  1. AcesHigh

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    players DO get some space and freedom in Brazil if they deliver the goods. If Ronaldinho delivered the goods (goods justifying his 1 million a month salary of course) then he wouldnt even need to train. People would let he take a whore to the field and ******** her in the ass in front of the entire stadium, while drinking cachaça, and everybody would laugh, pat him in the head and forgive him.

    if the player DOESNT deliver the goods however, Brazil is the worst place probably. Fans will literally attack the player, throw coins and money bills at him, boo their own player every time he touches the ball, sometimes one or two crazy lunatics will even engage in corporal fight with the player! (outside the stadium, of course) Or throw some rocks in his car.

    when Adriano was delivering the goods at Flamengo, Flamengo fans didnt care he was photographed with an AR-15 at the side of a drugdelaer. In fact, even if the media discovered he was part of the Comando Vermelho or PCC, and had personally assassinated a few children, he would still be forgiven.

    Now... when he started playing badly, the fans quickly turned against him and his spell at Flamengo ended.


  2. celito

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    I don't think it's that' much different than Europe honestly. Ronaldo, Ronaldinho, Romario were living the same lifestyles throughout their whole careers in Europe. Some teammates even mentioned Ronaldo didn't like to train (which probably means he got away from some sessions). While they were delivering it on the field, their private lives wasn't much of an issue.

    And players actually get less freedom in Brazil with respect to the club because of all of the "concentracoes" which doesn't exist in Europe. Not to mention the longer training sessions in Brazil comparing to Europe.

    This is definitely true. The fans in Brazil can go much farther than just booing.
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    I don't accept many of the things being written by Sambafoot. The majority of the training sessions missed by Ronaldinho were club approved.

    Ronaldinho has been playing good for Flamengo. Last night in the Libertadores, R10 was once again man of the match with two assists.
    I don't think torcida Raca or Torcida Jovem is ready to track him down during his nights out.
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    That's the most annoying thing.

    I agree with raca. No one is bigger than the club. But unfortunately the club management don't know that. They him do whatever he wants. They are incapable of running a club. It's not professional to let one player miss training every other day like Ronaldinho does.

    He missed 13(!!!) practices so far this year only iirc! That's about a practice per week.


  5. celito

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    But aren't you afraid that Flamengo "approving" it is more like them not having the balls to call Ronaldinho out on his BS ? When they sent Luxemburgo out the door, that gave Ronaldinho all the power to do whatever he wants.

    I agree he had a good game although it was a bit too late for the Libertadores.
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    With superstars who have such egos, you need a Felipao, a Dunga, or a Tele Santana to handle them. Felipao never put up with this nonsense - he barred Romario from the 2002 squad and many in Brazil literally wanted to lynch him. In one instance his car was kicked by fans who protested his choice to keep Romario out of the roster. Felipao in fact once grabbed a player by the neck (in front of the entire team) in the locker room and physically threw him out of Estadio Olimpico during his mid-90s stint as Gremio coach. That player had lied about being physically unfit, and Felipao believed him. This lie kept that player out of Gremio's squad, who travelled to play Goias in Goiania for a Copa do Brasil match. While Gremio was away, the player trash-talked Felipao. Felipao found out when he came back and he sent a clear message - that HE was in charge and he would not put up with such nonsense.

    Mano Menezes (who has no part in this Flamengo mess) is not strong enough to handle such egos and this might be problematic for us. Luxa at least tries to manage his big-headed stars, and at least he knows how to coach a team.

    I sincerely hope Neymar doesn't allow his incredible success turn him into the lazy party animal R10 has become. I don't care what Neymar does during his personal time as long as he trains, stays in shape, and works 100% for the NT when he's on duty.
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    Mano is actually sponsored by Nike. Go figure ... :rolleyes:

    Maybe that's why Ronaldinho got the call up. Although to be honest I don't think Nike is expecting much more $$$ out of Ronaldinho's image.

    I am more pessimistic about Neymar. I know he is good and will get even better. I just hope by the time his lifestyle becomes an issue on the field (let's say when he is 28ish), which I think it will just judging by the image he portrays, that he has already given us some titles like Romario, Ronaldo and to a lesser extent Ronaldinho and Adriano did.
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    Ok first of all what has Dunga done to show hes great at dealing with star personalities? When your a National team coach the art of man management isn't nearly as important in club management considering all the leaverage a Nt coach has. Not saying Dunga isn't a good manager but theres not enough sample size to say that his "hardline' method works. The hardline method really doesn't work that well in this day and age its about finding balance between the two. Managers get fired so quickly especially in Brasil a star player has all the power, if the star wants it. Flamengo bent over for R10 for the simple fact they need him to win; very simple.

    What makes you think Manos not strong enough to manage the personalities on this team? The failed Copa America Run? Hes been brave with his selections whether you agree with his picks or not. Kaka and Robinho rubbed him the wrong way and look where they have ended up, outside looking in. As I said before Mano by picking Ronaldhino takes signifigant media pressure off Ganso, Lucas Moura, and even Neymar to a certain extent. R10 has had a pretty good season so far considering the negativity surrounding him.
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    Maybe in Brazil. In Europe 3 of the major clubs, ManU, Real, and Barca are managed by hard line coaches who don't take shit from players.
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    That's a bad comparison. The clubs you mentioned are the most successful and the richest clubs in the world. They can afford to hire hard line ass coaches that don't take shit from their superstars because there is a line of superstars right behind them, and these clubs can afford it.
    Flamengo with debt up the ass, needs a Ronaldinho not only on the field, but the substantial revenues his name brings the club in ticket sales, shirt sales, propaganda material, etc.. Santos, another broke club, needs Neymar for the same reasons. Man U doesn't need Roooney, and RM doesn't need C. Ronaldo as bad.
    So maybe Patricia isn't so wrong after all in sacrificing Luxa for Ronaldinho, although I still do not agree with it.
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    That's a bad comparison. The clubs you mentioned are the most successful and the richest clubs in the world. They can afford to hire hard line ass coaches that don't take shit from their superstars because there is a line of superstars right behind them, and these clubs can afford it.
    Flamengo with debt up the ass, needs a Ronaldinho not only on the field, but the substantial revenues his name brings the club in ticket sales, shirt sales, propaganda material, etc.. Santos, another broke club, needs Neymar for the same reasons. Man U doesn't need Roooney, and RM doesn't need C. Ronaldo as bad.
    So maybe Patricia isn't so wrong after all in sacrificing Luxa for Ronaldinho, although I still do not agree with it.
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    Yea and its debatable if Jose is a players coach or hardliner, in my opinion hes a mix between both.
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    I don't know how Flamengo's finances are, but while Real and Barca do bring in a lot of revenue, they also have huge debts. There was some news this week that Barca might not be able to service it's debts next year. So Ronaldo and other stars are important to their teams to generate revenue for the team. These players are huge in Asia and generate a lot of revenue there. Which is precisely why Madrid brought Beckham in the first Galactico era.

    As for Ronaldinho's marketing power, last I checked there was no sponsor on Flamengo's jersey this year as of right now. And they had troubles bringing one last year. And one of us here (might have been you) said that his shirts weren't flying off the shelves. That's a marketing failure IMO and must be costing Flamengo Millions in lost revenue.

    You are acting as if it's an honor to Flamengo for Ronaldinho to wear the jersey. But it should be Ronaldinho who should feel honored to wear the jersey.
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    He might not be a hardliner, but he sure as hell knows how to get his players to give their all. His players are always busting their asses in games.
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    Not to take part to your conversation in any serious sense, but just saying that this is how it always should be in all the cases.
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    That is a myth and really a naive way of thinking. Show me one player today that is honored to wear any shirt. It is all about the dollars hombre - ALWAYS.
    Very rarely do you see a player turn down a club Y that offers him more money for another club X because he feels honored to wear the shirt of club X.
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    Why he is my favorite player... (along with Kaka')

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    Hahahaha. Good one. Love was on my mind as I wrote that post. But Love is really someone special and the "very rarely" I was refering to.
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    Nah, that's too cynical - although I get what you're saying and obv know that money speak loud in top football. But as for examples of people honored to wear a shirt I'd say Casillas for Real Madrid, Puyol, Xavi, Messi, Iniesta for Barcelona, Nesta for AC Milan, Gerrard for Liverpool, Lahm for Bayern and so on and on and those are just some European examples and I'm sure there are cases like them everywhere.

    I didn't mean though that players shouldn't go for the big money deals elsewhere (as they are IMO free to play wherever they want if a deal is made), but that when a player plays for a club, he shouldn't act like he is above the club.
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    mas não é consistente :(
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    It would given the worldwire exposure, which they have lacked for decades. If he plays like he has been, he pretty much going to be an anchor bringing the team down and possibly sinking them. Not to mention, Atletico already has several pretty hefty salaries to pay - Andre, Guilherme, Rever, Dudu Cearense, Mancini, Jo, Patric, Richarlyson, Serginho, etc. I have NO IDEA where they are pulling their money from...
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