Robin Fraser needs to go

Discussion in 'CD Chivas USA' started by sodi_gar, Jan 30, 2012.

  1. sodi_gar Member

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    Don't play with my emotions smokey. El guero real would be crazy. But...lets if this team can evolve into an attacking team.
          
  2. hovz1105 Member

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    I agree. I also think we need this bitch to bring things together in the club house.

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    insert Mug of real owner that doesn't care to spend a dime on Goats so the team can be bad, get no stadium and relocate.

    The trolls will have a field day with this...
  3. CTS26 Member

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    I am officially done with Fraser after that lost to the Fire, ever since he was hired we haven't been able to win none of our home games and our ability to score goals is completely laughable.

    RSL fans keep coming here and saying that we should give him a chance he's trying to build our defense from the ground up, I'm sorry but he had all last season to do that what he should have been doing is concentrate on building Chivas's offense, building our attack which he hasn't even done yet.

    The guy acts like he's scared to let his players cut loose on the open field, I mean what is he afraid of?
    Everyone here knows that in order to score goals the players have to put themselves in a situation to score them, meaning they have to 1. Possess the ball(which we have no problem doing) so it allows us to dictate the flow of the game, 2. Create chances and attack(something we have yet to do) 3. When a team goes on the attack the entire team to be involed in the attack not just 1 or 2 players, 4. We should score from dead situations that alone would make the defense think twice before fouling us so close to goal, and 5. Score on set pieces somthing we have serious problem in doing.

    I am not sure what Fraser hopes to achieve here but if he was coaching in Euroupe, Southamerica, or even in Mexico he would have been fired a long time ago, Clubs don't mind if you have a hard time getting results on the road because they know it is difficult to so but they will not except loses at home.

    Rant over, I don't know if I am only one here who feels this way(I hope not) but I just feel it's time for a change because this just isn't working for us. Better to do it now then to do it when playoffs are right around the corner.
  4. -REY MISTERIO- Member

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    CTS26....
    I feel you I just hope our FO has a plan B.. cuss if we don’t then we are F@K
    I think he did what he could due to his experience and capability, I’m afraid the we have reach the end of the line here..
    The only way I see Robin turning this boat around and create some trust with the fans at least for 4 or 5 more games is winning 4 points in the next 2 games

    That means at least 1 point vs San Hose
    and 3 points vs the Gaylacticos

    the way robin has played I see this hard to happened ….i with this happens cuss I really want to celebrate a victory vs the Gaylaxy but will find out in 13 days or so :whistling:

    What would you suggest CTS26?
    If you ask me hummm this is what I would like
    Domene- is very knowledgeable of MLS so our coach can leaned from hem on how all those draft picks work and the chimichanga that happened ONLT in MLS

    Jose Luis Sanchez Ola- Aka El Chelis
    Daniel el Travieso Guzman
    El Guero Real
    Bring someone from the Cruyff Organization
    Im sure any coach that can really motivate our player in and out the field would do better that what Robin has done till this point.

    If we want to continue playing mediocre soccer
    $$ Manuel Lapuente and there are more
    Arias ect ect !!
    WE ARE JUST TIRED well at least I’M:thumbsdown:
  5. sodi_gar Member

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    oh yeah I forgot about Daniel Guzman. Where is he now? He's another type of Chelis. He usually doesn't have a lot to work with but gets the most out of his players. Enrique (ojitos) Meza might be out of a job. I still say Chelis...unemployed, speaks spanish and english, probably has connections to agents and players, plays offensive futbol.
  6. U.S Chiva Member

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    I never believed in Frasier. You know why? Because he never coached before and stop that bull that he was part of RSL success, so that success was going to follow him. jaja yea right.
  7. -REY MISTERIO- Member

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  8. glyconerd Moderator

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    Well, I don't mean to shamelessly promote the podcast, but we talked with Adam Serrano about Fraser.

    I'm on the fence on this one. But I agree that getting rid of him right now might cause us further turmoil.
  9. EastLAChiva Member

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    I think the funny thing about that is admitting that firing Martin Vasquez was a mistake.
    I'm not sure about Fraser, but firing him right now might not be a good idea.

    I'm not totally sure a hiring a Mexican coach. Can you guys elaborate or make a defense?
  10. glyconerd Moderator

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    The case for sacking Vasquez, was that he took a 4 year MLS Cup contender team and turned it into an expansion team that ran around with it's head cutoff. My conscience is clear :D

    I'm still meditating on Frasier lol

    Happy mothers day to everyone
  11. -REY MISTERIO- Member

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    we need a coah with experience
    That can bring something new to the MLS and Chivas a different stile of Futbol
    Most Mexican teams dominta MLS teams with out a problem bringing some one like Chelis or Daniel Guzman would give us that, experience knowledge of the game, different stile of futbol plus they would understand what Chivas represent NOT LIKE FRAISER
    Some that can handle managing the first team and work really close with the academy because from what I know Robin only handles the first team
    Mexican Coaches have the ability of doing both jobs cus they live and bleed futbol
    I don’t think it would help us if we recycle a coach from the MLS!
    Steve Samsung?
    Winalda , has never coach MLS
    Just some thoughts
  12. sodi_gar Member

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    I agree with Rey. We need to set ourselves apart which was our original mission. It's no secret that most Mexican teams play better, more attractive (i know thats an opinion but stats show they more often than not beat mls teams. we should be able to agree on that) futbol, even with mediocre teams. I believe that even the lower teams of MLF would give the best MLS teams a run for their money home or away like Queretaro, san luis, puebla etc. These teams are not stacked with great players and most of the players on the teams are not as athletic as most americans. so what sets them apart? The system, the style of play, the coaching, the garra. if we bring in hans westerhoff, CHELIS, lapuente, OJITOS MESA, Daniel Guzman into the mix with maybe campos-suarez and co running the youth brigade project, then I see us capatalizing on the entire southwest united states in terms of fans and youth players. Who wouldn't want their sons being coached by wynalda, suarez, campos, and ramirez? This must be done to fully realize the vision of the youth ranks supplying our first team consistently.
  13. CTS26 Member

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    I would take the coach of Tigres, the former coach of Pumas and Guadalajara. I remember watching the 1997 Chivas team, they practically destroyed every team they played they stomped on Aguilas 5-0 and don't even get me started on the final that year either. To put it simple Chivas De Guadalajara was pretty much unstoppable in 97, we need a coach of that caliber.

    Some of you know who I'm talking about.
  14. glyconerd Moderator

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    Yeah, but you'll need their players to accomplish a similar feat in MLS.

    Remember, these Mexican coaches have tons of talent to choose from in Mexico.

    We have the college draft lol
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  15. EastLAChiva Member

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    We have budget limitations AND a salary cap to deal with. Chelis, Guzman, and others would be too smart to sign up for an MLS club. Especially our club with its $$$ limitations.
  16. -REY MISTERIO- Member

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    All I have to say is that we CHIVAS USA and this includes GDL we need $$
    Its getting to the point were we the loyal fans are demanding better results because we are tired of the way our clubs have been performing and $$$$$ has a lot to do with it
    If we think that we will find a Messi in Zimbabwe good luck with that
    The CHIVAS brand has so much potential we just need the right people to work for us
    Money… we have money and lots of money lets give the fans watt we want a team, competitive team and coaching staff
    With a dedicated stile of play home and away
    Quality and quantity of good professional players
    Lets move to East LA / Santa Ana whatever but lets get out of the HDC

    And one last thing please lets hire the right people for the FO cant be changing every 6 months im just saying
  17. thedragonrik58 Member

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    Maybe it isn't the smartest idea, but what about bringing back Preki? I mean after what happened with Martin Vasquez, maybe firing him was a mistake, too. I mean at least we were winning when he was coach. :cool:
  18. sikolec Member

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    Fraser needs to show some passion. His press conference after the RSL loss was pathetic. Sounded like he didn't even care...

    Pathetic.
  19. -REY MISTERIO- Member

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    Sikolec -
    I totally agree with you we only created one chance to score and that was at minute 88 jajaja I know we took 3 points from Montreal but honestly I’m starting to believe that Robin is a great assistant coach
    If he could show this intensity for 90 minutes every game and really push his our team that would be a different story … but most of the time he is sitting down chilling with Vanney
    The season is getting old and we just cant afford to be out of the playoffs, we all know that so we have to get up there 3rd or 4th place on the table
    Vancouver 26
    Sunder 25
    Colorado 19
    Chivas 18
    Galazy-17

    So it is a big dference from 6 to the 3rd place
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  20. glyconerd Moderator

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    Yeah, I get the whole sideline intensity thing. That's not Fraser's style. Do we want to see more of that? Hell yeah. But then we'd be making headlines about Fraser's mental instability. Good coaches don't coach from the sideline on game day, so 90 minutes of yelling at players just means he didn't do his job in the work week.

    The top teams in MLS have been playing together for years with minor tweeks and key additions, whereas Fraser's team has been dismantled and compiled together in a few months. We're essentially an expansion team. #dejalotrabajar

    I don't always agree with his approach at home but I'd like to see the Fraser project ride out to see the final product. We haven't had a full cycle for a coach since Preki.

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  21. CTS26 Member

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    You do realize that this is Fraser's second season we us right?o_O I mean he is doing exactly what he did last year and that is nothing. Look anytime Eric Wynalda actually laughs at a substitute decision you know we have major problems that needs to be address and I'm sorry Fraser hasn't done anything to convince me that we are going in the right direction or return to the team that we were in 06, 07, 08, and 09; those teams would mop the floor with the team we have today.

    We need to stop giving excuses and start demanding better results because teams are actually coming here knowing they can get an easy 3 points and that is all Fraser's fault; you know it's hard to believe that at one time teams actually feared coming here because they knew that they were not leaving here with a result, funny how times change.
  22. sodi_gar Member

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    Out of 9 clubs in the west we are in 7th place. We tied a team that has 14 points at the half way season mark. We didn't generate many scoring opportunities. I don't see us making the play offs and if we do it will be for nothing. Even the galaxy scum are back ahead of us.
  23. sikolec Member

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    It is one thing to have a poor season while playing attractive football, it's another to do what Chivas USA is doing...and that is playing boring dull football while having a poor season.

    We only had 2 shots on Saturday...only one was on target...that is garbage...
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  24. ekker3 Member

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    3 points:

    1. Numbers
    11: lowest amount of goals scored in MLS
    155: 2nd lowest shots taken in MLS
    47: 2nd lowest shots on goal in MLS
    26: 2nd lowest offsides calls in MLS (lol, no chances)

    84: wtf, we're 3rd in the league in corner kicks? how?
    which, in the end, is irrelevant since we cant score goals.

    2. Designated Player
    its been 5 years since the rule was adopted, how have we not yet had a designated player? heck, now teams are allowed to have 2 DP's yet we keep looking for ways to trade that space to other teams (that want to win and dont mind spending). wtf is going on, its clear we need a quality player to get us past the hump (aka mountain)

    3. Coaches
    man other than bob bradley, we've wanted preki gone (which was stupid since he was the only coach with BALLS), vasquez gone, and now fraser gone. seems like they're getting more passive/quiet as we move forward. Vasquez and Fraser would make great librarians, but we need the kid that was getting kicked out of the library instead (lol preki). getting rid of preki and his mafia track suit was probably the downfall - dude led us to finishes in 1st, 2nd, and 4th place in the west, never missing the playoffs. we've since gone 8th place the past 2 seasons and hovering around 8th this season.

    im down for giving fraser time to complete his "project" but i can only watch so many INCREDIBLY boring soccer matches this year. im seriously forcing myself to watch the ball kicked around midfield with an occasional run down the sideline, followed by a long rocket cross to 1 attacker and 4 defenders in the box.

    ya heard?
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  25. sodi_gar Member

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    Ekker3 has a point. The stats don't lie. We just play boring futbol. It sucks. Some games it looks like our players actually collide into one another while dribbling. I feel like we have some decent talent on the team, I just feel like we're missing a sinha or bofo in the mid field to conduct, distribute, hold, and orchestrate attacks. We need a numerous number ten an a coach that has a system to get the most out of the players we have.

    Preki was a prick but he would DEMAND results and we definitely played attacking futbol

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