Fraser should have never been hired period. We are here to develop soccer in the field not developed worthless coaches, that have never proven to be good coaches. He has done nothing for this team or before this team.
lol, you clearly have no clue what you are talking about when it comes to Robin. There is NO QUESTION he was the most highly regarded assistant coach before he was hired, he helped coach RSL to the MLS Cup win in 2009, helped with their run through the CCL and become one of the best teams in the league. he was highly praised by everyone he worked with and the players all held him in the highest light. your sheer hate for him is blinding you to reality.
It is not the same being a sailor than being a captain of a ship. Robin was an assistant coach, not the head coach. While I do not mind the learning process and / or sloppy ball, I do mind the lack of GARRA (passion)... and that my friends, is no one but Fraser's fault. Robin, you act like you have won everything but so far you have done nothing or won anything for that matter, you don't even acknowledge the fans or Supporter Groups (UU, BA1850 and L-1908). Perhaps you should take lessons of courtesy and humility from Pep Guardiola who has won everything. yet he is more humble than you will ever be!
I just feel like we play boring futbol/soccer. It's so defense oriented. I say if we're gonna lose anyway might as well do it with style. Like one of you mentioned earlier, play smith, bolanos, Townsend, curtois, Romero, labrocca, etc. all at the same time. Let's see what happens. It can't be worse than what we've been seeing on the field for two starts straight
did you not even read my post? listen, Robin is of the Jason Kreis tree of coaching, if you will. Jason was brought straight off the field as a player after RSL fired their first coach, John Ellinger. he went through the same exact thing that Robin is going through right now. in the beginning he focused almost all his attention on the defense. defense in this league is a rare commodity, very few teams are legitimately defensive strong. as the saying goes, defense wins championships and it won RSL its cup in 2009. high scoring pretty offenses are great and all, but if you always have to rely on scoring as many goals as possible to win then you arent going to be a long term successful team. Robin is doing it right, it may be ugly, but if you want to be a good team in the long term than you have to establish things from the back first and then build your way forward. the defense is the foundation you build your house on, it has to be strong. RSL did this under Kreis, his team was ugly in the first year and half, they hadnt established their style yet but they built a very good defense first. 3 years later they are widely considered among the best teams in the league and have often been said to play the most attractive soccer to watch in MLS. Robin Fraser was an assistant coach for RSL through most of Jason's first 3 years+, he is trying to do what Jason did at RSL. if he is given the reigns to the team like RSL gave to Jason, then in a year or two you will begin seeing substantial improvement. Robin is a good coach, just give him time. you guys are so quick to the trigger, you want to fire Robin after just a single season. its exactly why chivas usa has had such little success, you give your coach one season and then you are ready to run him out of town.
Damn good point, Commander! You too, UPinSLC! If Domene or Cue flat out said "He's our guy, nothing's changing", the discussion would be over. The reality is that we have too many new players not synching with each other and we have key attacking players hurt. I hate defensive, boring football, but it might be the safest way to prevent goals against. Fraser has to be pragmatic, too. Perhaps he should change into a more attacking mode. Being too defensive has cost us points in these first 2 games.
Take it easy. Kreis isn't exactly Vince Lombardi. They backed into winning the Cup because Donovan is a choker. Don't over state his 'Genius'. Preki FTW.
Well thought out post. My only response to that is that the nucleus that made rsl good all came the same year or after Fraser got there in 2007 ( beckerman, javi, rimando, Findley, movsisyan, Borchers, etc). They're all damn good players to its hard to tell How much credit should go where. In any case, our FO is crazy cheap and is only giving Fraser a bag of coins to work with.
I'm agreeing with you about the RSL scenario. Their success might have more to do with the right player acquisitions and Kreis and less to do with Fraser.But...I'll give him the benefit for the season. ROBIN C'MON, Lets start playing some futbol!!!!
I really do want Fraser to succeed. The season is still young. FYI. Eric Wynalda all but lobbied for the job. Interesting to hear his true feelings about Cue, coaching, and mission. He's tight with Cue, it seems. Check out the last 10 mins of the podcast: http://sentoffpodcast.com/random-soccer-talk-and-wynalda-campaigns-for-chivas-usa-manager/ Pretty intersting coaching staff possiblities......
truth is I'm hoping that Robin turns it around to if for nothing other than continuity. i'm a huge advocate of letting coaches ride ot a full season ala tuca ferreti, vucetich etc. long term coaches that seem to win championships every three years or so. Their FO's always keep them on boardeven with mediocre seasons because they know they are winners and will eventually produce. But thoose names I mentioned son maestros of their trade. Lets see what Robin can bring (besides defensive ideas). Eric Wynalda huh????..... We'll talk about that next season depending on what happens
I'm with sodi_gar. My first choice was the 4 headed monster Wynalda, Suarez, Ramirez, and Campos. It would have made all of us happy USA and Mexico fans. Lets just see what Fraser does this year, it's not good to change mangers every year and it's not his fault that CUSA doesn't spend $ and gives him peanuts to work with.
Suarez? Really? People complain about Robin's lack of Head Coaching experience, how does that make Suarez better? I hope we are talking about the same guy. Also, is it too late to acquire Tim Tebow? Screw it. I'm desperate.
Claudio Suarez would act as a asst coach along with campos. the main coach as i understand it would be wynalda. Their connections alone would be worth it. I know Jorge campos, Claudio Suarez, Ramon Ramirez and Eric Wynalda have made connections. erik wynalda has first teamcoaching experience. anyways something to revisit if this season see's us not make the play offs again.
From my seat looking at the game with my drunken eyes, I'd say the players' execution of a pretty smart game plan is what won the game for C-USA over the weekend. I realize it is a small sample size and that RF had intimate knowledge of the opponent, but I was impressed with the execution and the strategy... As stated above, I feel like there is a lot of quality on the pitch for you guys.... I just wish you could have gotten your first when elsewhere!
The verdict is still out on Fraser, but if we're gonna focus on bringing up the youth, why not go back to Hans Westerhoff or Thomas Rongen?
Agreed. We're not that bad. Perhaps we needed a superior opponent to force our players to step up. RSL will be a title contender while my Goats will have to kick and scratch for a playoff spot.
Amen..... Hans is working with Pachuca so he is out Rongen would be good El Wero Real would be to much to ask ...but you never know
