Rivalries

Discussion in 'Scotland' started by Toon³, Oct 7, 2005.

  1. Monty Crues Fan

    Monty Crues Fan New Member

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    There is no US dickhead im no Rangers fan learn to read. From what Ive seen Derrys walls is not sectarian singing "the I the I the IRA!" is, this is coming from a guy with parents of both faiths.


  2. frasermc

    frasermc Take your flunky and dangle

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    Dont remember calling you a Rangers fan but obviously with your superior intellect I must be mistaken...


    You seem to be cherry picking an argument to suit yourself. IRA add ons are not welcome in any ground in the country. Just as add ons from the other side of the sectarian divide aren't welcome either.

    Incidentally, how many times have you been to Rugby Park, Fir Park etc recently...? If you believe the fans of these clubs are saints, especially when either of the Glasgow teams are in town, then you're living on another planet.
  3. Monty Crues Fan

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    Obviously but you go to a Saint Mirren Falkirk game and tell me what you see go to any of the old firms games all you see is bigotry and violence.
  4. frasermc

    frasermc Take your flunky and dangle

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    I attend every home match at Celtic Park. Cant recall the last time I saw any violence in or around the stadium before or after a Glasgow derby. What incident was it you saw...?

    And if you check back on the St Mirren thread you should see a Youtube video of St Mirren - Morton fans squaring up to each other at a train station after a cup match.

    Not sure how many of them you could claim to be supports of either Celtic and Rangers but hey ho. Lets stick with the formulaic and pre conceived ideas of what a typical Celtic or Rangers supporter is and how they differ from all the other good fans in the country.

    Much easier that way...


  5. Monty Crues Fan

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    Makes up for our lack of support. :p
  6. Tibber

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    Ha, poor Killie.
  7. carmelino

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    I noticed that some number of players played for Celtic and Rangers. What do you think about that? It would be good to hear answers of Scottish people.
  8. Sweet Pete

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    It happens often at youth level, which is fairly natural since they're the two biggest clubs and have the most pulling power to their youth teams.
  9. IvanIV

    IvanIV King of all He purveys

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    looking for ward to rangers vs east stirlingshire ...
  10. Sweet Pete

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    The real rivalry would need to be Rangers v Queens Park, given the locality of the 2 clubs to each other.
  11. IvanIV

    IvanIV King of all He purveys

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    he he he. my bad. well done.
  12. Sweet Pete

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    In all honesty, it would be hilarious to see Rangers playing a league game against Queens Park. Queens Park play at Hampden, Scotland's national stadium, which holds 52,000 but QP's average home support (including away fans) is usually around 500. It's mental to see such a small support in such a big ground.

    Queens Park's inclusion in the Scottish Football League is somewhat odd, it's one of those great little idiosyncracies of the Scottish game. QP actually own Hampden Park and the Scottish Football Association lease it off of them for 99 years at a time. Queens are also the only amateur team to play in the professional leagues, their players aren't paid professionals and as far as I know are free to leave to go pro at other clubs at any time (within the allotted transfer windows) due to the difference in contractual status from Queens Park to the other clubs in the pro leagues (I think). Queens are also the only team playing in the pro leagues who are allowed to play in the Scottish Amateur Cup due to their status as an amateur team. They are a strange club with very little support and they've been going since the earliest days of football in the Victoria era and they are credited as being the oldest Association Football club in Scotland.
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  13. IvanIV

    IvanIV King of all He purveys

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    damn! good intel there pete. thanks.
  14. Gordon EF

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    Not only that but they have an incredible history. They won the first 4 Scottish cups, they've also played in two FA Cup finals.

    In the fist ever international football match, Scotland vs England, all 11 Scotland players were Queen's Park players.

    Queen's Park are basically responsible for introducing the 'passing game' as well. Before they started playing their passing style, players would basically just run with the ball until they were tackled. Obviously this helped them pretty much dominate in Scotland and made Scotland the best international side at the time. I read that they got a lot of stick, especially from England, as they saw passing the ball as being cowardly. Numerous pumpings made them adopt the same style.

    If Queen's Park had gone professional in the early days they might well have gone on to become the biggest club in Scotland but they've stayed rigidly amateur to this day. There are few clubs who can boast such an influential contribution to world football than Queen's Park.. They really are a fascinating wee club.

    Also, the first black player ever in British football played for Queen's Park, Andrew Watson. He also played 3 times for Scotland and is thought to be the first black player ever to play international football.
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  15. Pedro's greasy do

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    I've yet to visit the football museum in Glasgow but I've heard similar stories. From what I've been told the game that was played in England was more like Rugby without being able to use your hands. Players would just run in straight lines and not pass. Where as in Scotland pass and move style was invented. I also heard we introduced that style of football to Brazil... Where most people of course think the guy was English... :D

    Ah look us now at the forefront of football development...
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    With a huge stadium and an awesome history, why don't they just go pro and start paying and retaining good players?
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    Because they don't have any support. You can't very well suddenly turn professional and start paying out wages when you have no money coming through the gates. Also, it's totally contrary to the spirit of QPFC, they are extremely proud of their amateur status and have openly acknowledged many times that they have no interest in turning professional. In addition to that, it simply wouldn't work. Glasgow has as many professional clubs as it can possibly support already, plus many non-league clubs and amateur clubs and then there are many more professional, semi-professional, non-league and amateur in the areas surrounding the city. Simply put, Queens Park can't generate the necessary level of support to be a professional club. They'd have had to have become a professional club 100 + years ago to be able to sustain themselves.

    It's all moot anyway as they have no interest in ever becoming professional. It's not as if they're a new club and still finding their way in the game.
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  18. Gilbertsson

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    Story about one fan from Croatia who supports Celtic, he spends his vacation days, weekends in Glasgow and he watches their games, after that he visits Glasgow pubs, where Celtic fans gather. One of his friends learned Croatian language quite well because they spend a lot of with him.:) He is of Irish heritage. Second part of this video is blocked, because it shows official Celtic matches.:rolleyes:

    Croatian fan is from city of Sibenik: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Šibenik
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  19. YankHibee

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    Sounds like spam! What a time saver!
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  20. Decency

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    but "up to your knees in fenian blood" is perfectly fine

    -.-
  21. Gilbertsson

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    1967 year: match between Celtic Glasgow and Croatian club GNK Dinamo Zagreb. Time flies.:)

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  22. Decency

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    old firm days are electrifying.
  23. frasermc

    frasermc Take your flunky and dangle

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    FYP for you. :thumbsup:
  24. Waliatiger

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    I know wrong thread but why is there no thread on the Scotland page of the NT? has support for the Scottish NT dropped of that much...
  25. frasermc

    frasermc Take your flunky and dangle

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    We usually open threads for the NT on a game by game basis.

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