Rhinos House of Cards

Discussion in 'United Soccer Leagues' started by Ricogreen, Nov 25, 2007.

  1. tobee

    tobee Member

    Feb 3, 2007
    The Rhinos are toast unless the Phantom investor comes forward.
    BTW, why would anyone want to pick up a team that is already ten million in the hole? he would never recoup his investment.
     
  2. drew_VT_6

    drew_VT_6 Member

    Feb 22, 2000
    Orange County, CA
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Unless the investor did what hotel investors did and take over the debt as part of a fire sale of the team. Then they pay off the debt and upgrade then run the team in order to make their profit over time.
     
  3. drew_VT_6

    drew_VT_6 Member

    Feb 22, 2000
    Orange County, CA
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  4. kenntomasch

    kenntomasch Member+

    Sep 2, 1999
    Out West
    Club:
    FC Tampa Bay Rowdies
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    It says "TIX" on the side.

    Could that have been a ring given to someone in the ticket sales department? Or was there someone on the team nicknamed "Tix?"
     
  5. drew_VT_6

    drew_VT_6 Member

    Feb 22, 2000
    Orange County, CA
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Norm the ticket guy. Seems like a good bet. He was named the scape goat for the issues in 2007 and was let go by the team. EVEN though he has been with the team since 1996 and has done an awesome job. The reality is probably: a. He asked twice for a paycheck b. He confronted Matt Ford (GM) or Donner about their shady business practices.
     
  6. drew_VT_6

    drew_VT_6 Member

    Feb 22, 2000
    Orange County, CA
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  7. zidja

    zidja Member

    Jul 26, 2006
    I emailed the seller. Here's what they said:
     
  8. kenntomasch

    kenntomasch Member+

    Sep 2, 1999
    Out West
    Club:
    FC Tampa Bay Rowdies
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Yeah, but the picture of the side of the ring says "TIX." So unless that's a picture of another ring, the person who owns the ring had "TIX" on the side.
     
  9. drew_VT_6

    drew_VT_6 Member

    Feb 22, 2000
    Orange County, CA
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    It's Norm the ticket guy who was fired. 99.5% sure.
     
  10. drew_VT_6

    drew_VT_6 Member

    Feb 22, 2000
    Orange County, CA
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Strike that. Supposedly everyone who worked in the Frontier Field Ticket office at the time also received rings. The FF ticket office was controlled by the Red Wings so it could have been any number of baseball diehards who just happened to be a ticket person at the time.
     
  11. kenntomasch

    kenntomasch Member+

    Sep 2, 1999
    Out West
    Club:
    FC Tampa Bay Rowdies
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Someone should buy it and find out. :)
     
  12. zidja

    zidja Member

    Jul 26, 2006
    Then the buyer would be outed as the "Donner's phantom investor!"

    Hmmm... I think I've figured out the new financing scheme.:D
     
  13. tobee

    tobee Member

    Feb 3, 2007
  14. drew_VT_6

    drew_VT_6 Member

    Feb 22, 2000
    Orange County, CA
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    No, they're switching site hosts and they posted on the web forums the other day that they would be down while they switched.
     
  15. tobee

    tobee Member

    Feb 3, 2007
    What a relief that is.
     
  16. drew_VT_6

    drew_VT_6 Member

    Feb 22, 2000
    Orange County, CA
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Here's what the former webadmin said about the Rhinos site on the newest version of a Rhino's forum

     
  17. drew_VT_6

    drew_VT_6 Member

    Feb 22, 2000
    Orange County, CA
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Here's what Steve Donner head of RSG talked about today:

    Today's "KickThis!" show is archived online.
    http://www.soccersam.com/kickthis/

    I like the rebrand idea. Hopefully they don't totally dump the Rhinos name, but getting rid of the kid-toon logo and the "Ragin' " part sure would be welcome.
     
  18. drew_VT_6

    drew_VT_6 Member

    Feb 22, 2000
    Orange County, CA
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  19. dspence2311

    dspence2311 Member+

    Oct 14, 2007
    Can someone explain the problem for out of towners? If you can't make money drawing nearly 10,000 a game, what went wrong?
     
  20. drew_VT_6

    drew_VT_6 Member

    Feb 22, 2000
    Orange County, CA
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    It's quite simple really.

    The CEO of the Rochester Sports Group is a crook. And if he's not, he's a complete moron and probably broke laws along the way so he's a crook.
     
  21. USSF REF

    USSF REF Guest

    The guy who owns the rhinos also owns a AAA Hockey team, a pro indoor LAX team (current champs). An a MLL (LAX) out door team that plays in Rochester, in addition to Rhinos.
     
  22. VioletCrown

    VioletCrown Member+

    FC Dallas
    United States
    Aug 30, 2000
    Austin, Texas
    Club:
    Austin Aztex
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Many of us usually interpret that to mean that he knows sports and therefore will do a good job running a soccer team. (Leaving aside that most of the teams you listed are lacrosse teams, and I have my doubts as to whether anyone can run lacrosse successfully yet).

    So, once again, what went wrong?
     
  23. USSF REF

    USSF REF Guest

    Well, I was trying to point out that he is spreading himself a little thin... That said, he doesn't pay his bills on time and has a massive amount of debt built into his franchises. He has little to no business credit at this time. The city of Rochester will not release the balance of a 4 mil state awarded grant until the RHinos open up their books AND prove that the team will be stable for the immediate future, which Donner refuses to do. So the team won't get the grant money.

    Basically, he bit off more than he could chew in going "halfsies" with the state of NY on this new stadium. He found the attendence decline by about 2000 fans on average over the last 2 seasons, and people are disgruntled about the concessions and parking, and neighborhood of the stadium. These are not things I would think good fans should be too worried about, but in Rochester people seem to care about the peripherals almost more than the on field product.
     

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