Revolution Stadium Groundbreaking "12-24 months" Part VII

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  1. Achowat

    Achowat Member+

    Mar 21, 2011
    Revere, MA
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I'm inclined to go along with this reasoning. The team has the workings of a deep team, just without the starters.
     
  2. Crooked

    Crooked Member+

    May 1, 2005
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    There's a reason the Revs went out and bought Bengtson, and it's because Saer Sene isn't that special. I agree that a striker's objective is to score goals and in that regard he has been a success, I just don't see him maintaining this pace for the rest of the season or next year. He is outperforming right now.

    Soares and Alston are fringe starters IMO on most MLS teams, while Tierney, Guy, and McCarthy are all bench players. I'm not saying we should be getting rid of Soares or Alston right away, I'm just saying that these guys are far from studs and aren't great building blocks for the future. They're role players and just all piece of the puzzle in the grand scheme of things. We need to acquire the big pieces (a stud CB, another striker, etc.) to really compete.
     
  3. Crooked

    Crooked Member+

    May 1, 2005
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Yes, but when you can't attain quality starters, you're left with a team of misfits. That's what this team currently is, a team of misfits.
     
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  4. Crooked

    Crooked Member+

    May 1, 2005
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Then let's make some of these players available. What can we get for AJ Soares, Kevin Alston, etc.? Is Burns trying to make moves, or is he just the laziest GM in the league?
     
  5. patfan1

    patfan1 Moderator
    Staff Member

    Aug 19, 1999
    Nashua, NH
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Well since at least one person thinks that the job he's done this year is right about the league average, I'm assuming he's currently looking into what he needs for his new office. ;)
     
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  6. LongDuckDong

    LongDuckDong Member+

    Jan 26, 2011
    Club:
    FC Schalke 04
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Average doesn't mean good. If you take a terrible team and have an average off season transfer-wise, your still going to suck. And when you have one average season after 5 terrible ones, its pretty obvious where you stand. Burns still needs to go. He needed an exceptional year and he didn't have one.
     
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  7. Crooked

    Crooked Member+

    May 1, 2005
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    So you still won't admit that this past season was awful and well below average compared to the rest of the league? You don't have to be like rkupp, just admit that you were wrong...
     
  8. LongDuckDong

    LongDuckDong Member+

    Jan 26, 2011
    Club:
    FC Schalke 04
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I don't think I'm wrong. About 50% of our aqusitions succeeded. That's about average. The Seattle's of the league have better success rates, but if you look at a team like Colorado, we did about the same.
     
  9. Crooked

    Crooked Member+

    May 1, 2005
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Colorado brought in Jaime Castrillon, Martin Rivero, and Luis Zapata. They've all been starters for the entire season and IMO all three would be immediate starters for the Revs.

    Meanwhile our "successful" acquisitions are bench players. When you're signing foreign players you expect them to be starters, you expect them to be your #9 as we were so infamously promised. Our signings didn't meet expectations, and that's why our offseason was below average compared to the rest of the league.
     
  10. Kraft Out

    Kraft Out Member+

    Aug 2, 2010
    Boston
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    You can't judge teams off season acquisitions in that context. You have to judge them in the context of what they needed, what they did and what they didn't do. The Revs offseason, and then ultimately the rest of the season, was bad because they didn't do enough. It wasn't as though they exhausted resources and did all they could do. They have a billionaire owner, with roster slots available, DP's available etc...

    I know this is obviously comes down somewhat to a debate of semantics, but this season was bad in pretty much any way you look at it. It was better than last year, but that would have been harder not to do.
     
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  11. rkupp

    rkupp Member+

    Jan 3, 2001
    Churning players isn't the way to build a winning team in MLS.
     
  12. Mike Marshall

    Mike Marshall Member+

    Feb 16, 2000
    Woburn, MA
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    High School Football Stadium in Texas:

    [​IMG]
     
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  13. Crooked

    Crooked Member+

    May 1, 2005
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    And remaining with the status quo is? Okay, Mr. Burns.

    Vancouver, Montreal, NY, etc. have all made a lot of moves, and their teams are outperforming ours currently. We're currently the equivalent of an expansion side, and we should have the same amount of roster turnover. We need to make moves if we want to improve this roster.
     
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  14. patfan1

    patfan1 Moderator
    Staff Member

    Aug 19, 1999
    Nashua, NH
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Of course, the reason we've made so many moves during the season is because most of the off-season moves were absolutely pathetic mistakes.
     
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  15. LongDuckDong

    LongDuckDong Member+

    Jan 26, 2011
    Club:
    FC Schalke 04
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Ok, I'll agree with you here. We needed a new LB and Burns brought in a back LB. As a backup, Lechner is fine, but he wasn't really what we needed.
     
  16. Kraft Out

    Kraft Out Member+

    Aug 2, 2010
    Boston
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    I do agree that they did a lot this offseason, and appear to be moving in a more positive direction. The roster is certainly younger and potentially more talented. So, those are all promising things. However, when you look at the entire situation in context of MLS and what they could have done, in contrast to what they actually did, they could have done so much more.
     
  17. Minutemanii

    Minutemanii Member+

    Dec 29, 2005
    Abington MA
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Texans hate taxes, right? They don't want comprehensive healthcare right? But they pony up for this. Unbelievable. It's nice to know they have their priorities straight.
     
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  18. LongDuckDong

    LongDuckDong Member+

    Jan 26, 2011
    Club:
    FC Schalke 04
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    People spend ridiculous amounts of money on sports in other parts of the country. In the northeast, we build new schools and pay teaches a slightly higher wage. Everywhere else in the US, they build new athletic facilities and pay their HS football coach more than the principle.
     
  19. Kraft Out

    Kraft Out Member+

    Aug 2, 2010
    Boston
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    don't mess with Texas
     
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  20. Alan

    Alan Titanium Member

    Feb 25, 1999
    Massachusetts
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Beyond onerous Federal Taxes, paid for by only half the shrinking national work force, Texans seem just as "tax happy" as any other state apparently:

    911 Emergency Service Fee
    911 Equalization Surcharge
    911 Prepaid Wireless Emergency Service Fee
    911 Wireless Emergency Service Fee
    Automobile Burglary and Theft Prevention Authority (ABTPA) Assessment
    Automotive Oil Sales Fee
    Bank Franchise
    Battery Sales Fee
    Boat & Boat Motor
    Cement Production
    Cigarette
    Cigar, Tobacco Products
    Cigarette/Tobacco Advertising Fee
    Coastal Protection
    Coin-Operated Machines Tax
    Controlled Substances
    Crude Oil
    Diesel Fuels
    Fireworks
    Franchise
    Gasoline
    Hotel
    Inheritance
    Insurance Maintenance Tax - Workers' Compensation Research
    Insurance Maintenance Taxes - Texas Department of Insurance
    Insurance Maintenance Tax - Division of Workers Compensation/Office of Injured Employees
    Insurance Premium Tax - Independently Procured
    Insurance Premium Tax - Licensed Insurers
    Insurance Premium Tax - Surplus Lines/Purchasing Groups
    Insurance Premium Tax - Unauthorized Insurance
    International Fuel Tax Agreement (IFTA)
    Liquefied Gas
    Loan Administration Fee
    Local Property
    Local Sales & Use
    Manufactured Housing
    Miscellaneous Gross Receipts
    Mixed Beverage Tax
    Motor Fuels Transporters
    Motor Vehicle - Gross Rental Receipts
    Motor Vehicle - Local Sports and Community Venue Sales and Use
    Motor Vehicle - Sales and Use
    Motor Vehicle - Seller-Financed Sales
    Motor Vehicle - Texas Emissions Reduction Plan (TERP) Registration Surcharge
    Motor Vehicle - Texas Emissions Reduction Plan (TERP) Surcharge
    Natural Gas
    Office of Public Insurance Counsel (OPIC) Assessment
    Oil & Gas Well Servicing
    Oyster Sales Fee
    Pari-Mutuel
    Petroleum Products Delivery Fee
    Property Tax
    Public Utility Gross Receipts Assessment
    Retail Charge Account Delinquency Fee
    Retaliatory Tax
    Sales & Use
    School Fund Benefit
    Sexually Oriented Business Fee
    Sulphur
    Texas Emissions Reduction Plan (TERP) - Off Road Heavy Duty Diesel Equipment Surcharge
    Telecommunications Infrastructure Fund (Repealed)
    Volunteer Fire Department Assistance Fund Assessment

    Texan's aren't alone. If by this you mean the inversely named Affordable HealthCare Act, the highly partisan CBSnews organization reported on June 28 that it enjoys a laughable 34% approval by the American public.

    Perhaps Texans, like most taxpayers ...

    1. Want to understand what their getting for their tax dollar (or bond issued)
    2. Want to give a dollar in tax and get a dollar in benefit (rather than the more typical 43 cents)
    3. Want to direct funds where 'they want' (stadium proposal had 64% voter approval) rather than at the direction of partisan DC bureaucrats of either stripe.

    Just sayin.
     
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  21. Alan

    Alan Titanium Member

    Feb 25, 1999
    Massachusetts
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Meanwhile, what real professional soccer looks like, in a real MLS soccer specific stadium ... from last night.

    [​IMG]
     
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  22. Kraft Out

    Kraft Out Member+

    Aug 2, 2010
    Boston
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    more like TAXas, amirite?
     
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  23. Achowat

    Achowat Member+

    Mar 21, 2011
    Revere, MA
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    ZING!
     
  24. Minutemanii

    Minutemanii Member+

    Dec 29, 2005
    Abington MA
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    That's a lot of typing for swaying me on zero bit. Just sayin.
     
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  25. Kraft Out

    Kraft Out Member+

    Aug 2, 2010
    Boston
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    and people call me an a-hole ;)
     

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