Republican/conservative economic theory proven wrong

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  1. Auriaprottu

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    But that's not early U2- well, I guess it is now, but when I said early, I was thinking everything up to The Joshua Tree. I liked the album, but that was where I could see them changing. Under A Blood Red Sky is one of the greatest live rock albums ever, IMO.

    Hell, I wanted to lay ON Sally back when she was Gloria Stivic.

    But she's jumped the shark in a way I couldn't have possibly imagined. And this is coming from someone who's never had a problem with big girls. Unlike, say, Delta Burke, Sally's weight went to the wrong places. I hope you're not related to her- no insult intended. And yes, those infomercials were preachy in a bad way.
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    Who the eff is Levi Stubbs? ;)
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    Lead singer of the Four Tops.

    Its a good line.

    Not all that good a song IMHO, though it is his best (that I know of.)

    Kind of like citing "Hello Its Me" as evidence of the importance of Nazz.
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    Me too, given my thoughts about her when I was 12.

    Look I fully agree with all you wrote. But those were the first pair of breasts I ever worshipped. I can't think about the woman with anything other than reverence.
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    Although Robin Hitchcock is superb - I would hardly call him the same genre

    Also - the idea that you would listen to him to get girls in 'college' (sic) is pretty silly - or maybe that's what American's did. :ROFLMAO:

    After all, you guys never really had Thatcher and her clones. For others the 80s was very different. He's not about you - so I wouldn't expect you to get it.
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    How about "Bring On the Dancing Horses?"
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    Context matters.

    We were talking about a time when in various countries, the working man, and particularly the unions were under assault. The miners strike etc.
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    Did he write "Are You Man Enough?"? They were never one of my fave groups of that genre, but I remember that song.

    Never knew Rundgren didn't pen this. His version is better by leaps and bounds, and has one of the greatest basslines ever written. No joke.
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    Levi sang 'em, he didn't write 'em. Lambert/Potter, I think.

    Rundgren DID write it.
    Nazz was his HS band. And as producer/ arranger/player he's world class.
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    I know guys who have Bruno Mars, admit they can't stand it, but play it for girls. Same thing I guess.

    Would Reagan be a Thatcher clone or the other way around?
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    Never was into Rundgren but his music certainly stands the test of time.
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    Some of the political stuff is preachy. I actually like his non-political songs better -- musically -- even though I agree with most of his politics.
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    Thanks.

    Ah. Didn't really look at the vid- just listened. I didn't hear this song until the early 80s, believe it or not, but I knew immediately that it wasn't an 80s tune. Strangely enough, I remember hearing "I Saw The Light" on the radio as a little kid.

    Speaking of different versions of "I Saw The Light"... I was on a break at a jazz jam in the mid 90s when I heard the guitarist (a slightly older guy who plays Irish and bluegrass stuff along with jazz) talking with the pianist about a 'grass gig, and he mentioned playing Fox On The Run. I thought about it for a second, picked up my bass and began the tune softly, thinking to myself how really, really cool a cover that would be at a typical grass tempo. So I'm pumping out root/five over the intro in my head and started to sing...

    "I... I... I... don't wanna know your name..."

    He cracked up --raucous, streaming tears laughter-- with me having no idea why. I learned my first bluegrass standard later that night.
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    The picking up college chicks is a lame joke that you keep repeating for some reason. Most of my friends who started listening to Bragg in college were indie music nerds who introduced "chicks" to his music not the other way around. And I like Robyn Hitchcock a lot too, but he and Bragg aren't of the same genre at all.
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    Now there's a double bill for ya-- Tom T Hall and Sweet. Stick around for the encore jam, folks...
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    To repeat a post from a few months back, I told a girl once I liked Loverboy. Sometimes you got do what you gotta do. It's all out of love for them. (I wish I knew how to do the slash out thing, you know write love then slash it out and put lust afterwards.)
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    Because it's true. Most people I knew who listened to Bragg only played it when girls were around and it was a college phase.

    I lump Hitchcock's acoustic work with Bragg but Hitchcock's stuff with the Egyptians is different. My guess is that most people who like Bragg would like Hitchcock as well.
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    Agreed.

    Here's a few for the uninitiated...






    And this one ostensibly is political in nature, but it also happens to be one of my absolute favorites...

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    I was going to ask you how well it converted from a political aspect.

    Its no accident that the great American folk singers emerged 20 years earlier whereas Bragg came with England's great social upheaval in the 80s with Thatcher. In NZ we had something worse than Thatcher and the new right's 'unfortunate experiment'. Soaring unemployment, employment contracts, user pays etc.

    For all his mythology, and for all the tough times in the 80s for some, Reagan was nothing like Thatcher. And to me anyway - the US working class seems quite different to early 80s england in its outlook. There's a much stronger socialist tradition in the UK.
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    ?What does Willis Alan Ramsey have to do with it? :confused:
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    “Socialism never took root in America because the poor see themselves not as an exploited proletariat but as temporarily embarrassed millionaires.”



    John Steinbeck
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    Perhaps for you, it was. I went to undergrad in Athens, GA. The "hippie" chicks there certainly weren't into Billy Bragg....it was the Pete Buck record store/musician types. The hippie chicks were all twirling twirling twirling to Widespread Panic, White Buffalo, Allgood Music Company, and the Grapes, none of which were my cup of tea.
    I think even Hitchcock's acoustic work is different.
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    I can't disagree with any of this. As to how well his political music converted....for me personally it was hit and miss though, musically, I still liked most of it. For instance, while I understood the context within which his various "labor" (for lack of a better label) songs were written, I'd be lying if I said that they really hit home. But songs like "The Few," "Think Again," "North Sea Bubble" etc, certainly resonated. Nevertheless, my favorite memory of seeing him live is just coming out on stage for the last encore, with only his guitar, no backing band, and performing St. Swithin's Day. Very moving, IMHO.
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    No offense, but I ********ing hate you now. And unlike my criticism of Romney and the 1%, this is motivated by sheer envy. ******.

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