NSR: Religiao, Ciencia e Ateismo

Discussion in 'Brazil NSR' started by Ombak, Apr 2, 2009.

  1. Ombak

    Ombak Moderator Staff Member

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    Quero criar este thread por uma curiosidade pessoal. Sei que o Brasil eh um pais onde a maioria eh crista. Na minha escola eu conhecia apenas dois judeus e um muculmano e ninguem se identificava como "sem-religiao". Hoje me identifico como ateu - nao pretendo provar que deus nao existe, simplesmente nao acredito em deus. Recentemente descobri que mais de 7% da populacao brasileira se identifica como "sem-religiao".

    Nao quero fazer deste thread um lugar para discutir se deus existe. Gostaria de propor o seguinte:

    Que os brasileiros interessados neste thread, tanto os que vivem no Brasil quanto afora, se identifiquem. Vc eh ateu? Cristao, judeu, muculmano? Ou nao ve uma definicao religiosa que lhe cabe bem?

    Como voce ve alguem que eh ateu? Ou se vc eh ateu, como vc ve as pessoas religiosas? Aqui ha talvez a possibilidade mais distinta deste thread deteriorar e se tornar uma briga ou troca de insultos. Peco que se vc quiser fazer uma pergunta que vc a faca com o maior respeito (nao vale apenas dizer "com respeito" eh preciso pensar no que vc esta dizendo).

    Vc ve algum conflito entre sua religiao e ciencia? Ou se vc eh ateu vc ve algum conflito entre ciencia e religiao - principalmente a igreja evangelica ou catolica no Brasil?

    Finalmente, se vc quiser conversar sobre qualquer tema que caiba nesta enorme discussao, sinta-se a vontade para faze-lo aqui.


  2. old_carioca_in_nyc

    old_carioca_in_nyc New Member

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    Don't forget that "Deus e' Brasileiro!"

    I was baptized catholic, but I don't follow any organized religion.

    However, I always pray before and during any game from my selecao!
  3. Mengão86

    Mengão86 Moderator Staff Member

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    x2.

    I go to church once in a while.
  4. Ombak

    Ombak Moderator Staff Member

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    Vc se identifica entao como catolico ou sem-religiao?

    It's curious, Catholicism has such a distinct cultural element that, not unlike Judaism, a lot of people may not believe in God or in the teachings of the church but still feel they belong. bviously not to the same degree, but there are parallels.


  5. Ombak

    Ombak Moderator Staff Member

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    Last time I went to church I still lived in DC and a dear friend's mother had passed away and I walked to church with her where she lit a candle.

    I think there's a lot of value in the community that churches build, even if I don't personally believe in any of the religious elements. Technically you could get a lot of what you get from church form other groups too, but the church offers a community that's already there, strong and inclusive.

    To make a different point though, if this were a debate about whether religion is true or right, the value of going to church would serve only as an argument to religion's usefulness, not to its truth. If you're willing to expand I'd be interested in hearing what you get out of church - is it part of your tradition as a family and nothing more? Do you as an individual find something particular you like in it?
  6. Mengão86

    Mengão86 Moderator Staff Member

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    I go there more because of tradition rather than anything. My mom's side of the family has strong Catholic beliefs, go to Church every Sunday, and I was raised on those principles. I go there out of respect to that.

    I might go more often if the services were a bit different. They do some things that I don't really like, so that's why I only go so little. Maybe if I was going to church in Brazil, it would be different. Unfortunately, there are no Brazilian catholic churches near by. The only one close to me are Methodist and the Brazilians there are super religious with all aspects of their daily lives.

    As far as faith goes, I believe in God, but I can't really say I take it any further than that. I'm not the type that would carry religion into every decision I make. I don't try forcing my beliefs upon other people who have different beliefs.
  7. Bonizzoni

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    Eu sou um dos raríssimos Sikhs do Brasil.

    Devem ter uns 1000 de nós aqui,e a maioria aqui em São Paulo...mesmo porque,existem pouquíssimos Indianos no Brasil,o que é MUITO curioso.
  8. Mengão86

    Mengão86 Moderator Staff Member

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    Você é indiano ou tem sangue indiano? Sinceramente, não lembro de ter visto um indiano sequer no Brasil.

    Mas aqui no meu bairro nos States, é bem diferente...rsrs. Tô cercado por indianos e asiáticos.
  9. Ombak

    Ombak Moderator Staff Member

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    Sikhs wear turbans as a piece of religious garb don't they? It makes them stand out, especially in a place like Brazil where you say there are only 1000, so how are you seen/received by the average person?
  10. old_carioca_in_nyc

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    I am not surre about "belonging" - since I don't care about going to Church or anything like that...

    I pray during the selecao games, I hope they win!
    Those prayers are loaded with palavroes!
    LOL:D
  11. Mengão86

    Mengão86 Moderator Staff Member

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    Care to share some prayers.:D
  12. Bonizzoni

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    Usually yrs. But I'm not a Khalsa (Sikhs who use turban and don't cut hair/beard).

    Apesar que é uma ambição futura minha...mas extremamente complicada se vivenciar aqui no Brasil,infelizmente.

    Tenho sangue árabe do lado dos meus pais. Bem,no Brasil é comum,tem mais de 10 milhões de descendentes. Mas não tem Indiano por aqui...em São Paulo você acha Chinês,Coreano e Japonês andando nas ruas normalmente. Mas Indiano?Raridade.
  13. old_carioca_in_nyc

    old_carioca_in_nyc New Member

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    "ave Maria!!! que golaco!!! porra!!! " :p

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