Does anyone else think the "dos a cero" chants were too derisory and mocking? I understand that's the point, but wouldn't we be more endearing if we supported our team instead of jeering the other one excessively? I'm thinking of Ireland fans in the Euros-- they sang and were happy for their team even while losing and the whole world fell in love with them. Americans love to feel aggrieved all the time (just watch cable news and see the pleasure of it), but shouldn't we lighten up in world soccer? Thanks to anyone with a thoughtful response. I know I'm gonna get some hostility for this.
If Mexico doesn't want to get mocked, they can stop losing by the same score every time. Seriously, this is one of the great international rivalries. For a long time, they had their boots on our throat, and now we've got the upper hand (although a win in a qualifier in Azteca sure would be nice). We don't need to be the bigger / nicer folks and let up on them -- they wouldn't do that to us.
Are you knew to sports? In Boston we endured 1918 chants. Now forever will endure 18-1 chants. But I expect nothing less from other fams
Part of home field advantage is creating an atmosphere that can rev up or propel your team while making things more difficult for the opponent. The greatest thing the US has going for it vs Mexico in Columbus is the mentality of the dos a cero scoreline. The inevitability of it. Keep chanting it. Get the Mexicans thinking about it. Let them lose their mental focus. When the first goal went in, you could almost feel them deflate. Keep them thinking it will eventually be 2-0 and why should they even bother trying...
Maybe we can all just have a group hug and give everyone participation trophies. Drop the dos a cero chant? Are you nuts? THAT is what gets into their heads. I don't think there was a person in that stadium after the first goal that didn't know that we could get a second.....because of dos a cero.
Perhaps we should stop playing in Columbus as well since that clearly makes Mexico feel uncomfortable.
Exactly!! I was at the Gold Cup final in LA, back in 1998. I had all sorts of things thrown at me, used the US flag as a shield. Couldn't hear the National Anthem due to the boos....horrible.... F**k Mexico....2-0....sing it load and proud....I love the arrogance by the Mexican fans and sports casters before the match yesterday. Love it! They will never understand why the fail time and again, it is in their very psyche! 2-0 dos a cero whatever
I have no clue what you are talking about OP, we were simply letting giving them a friendly reminder of what the scoreboard was showing... we even had the decency to tell them in their own language. I think we should be given medals for our classiness
OK, OK, I get it. No one agrees with the sentiment in my original query. We enjoy feeling aggrieved and indignant. We like to dwell on hearsay about urine and US flag shields, and we feel entitled to bully. It's our turn, right? Maybe international football affords us that opportunity because the US isn't an underdog in any other world venue. But if/when we're eliminated from another World Cup by Ghana or the likes thereof, I hope we display a better attitude than "I can be meaner than you," especially given our lack of success historically. I enjoyed traveling and supporting the US men at the 2002 and 2006 World Cups, and I hope the new crop of fans heading for Brazil can lighten up a little. BigSoccer, not LittlePenises!
Dos a cero is the equivalent of racist attacks on twitter? It's feeling bullied and indignant? I'm just curious if you watch professional sports. MLB? NBA? NHL? Any of it.
Going with some tangential thoughts there, aren't you? Never mind, BigSoccer, I can't. You're Fox News of footy.
You're trying to use a crowbar and force moral equivalency to things that are not close to being equal. Chanting Dos a Cero by US fans to Mexican fans is somehow equivalent to getting things thrown at you by Mexican fans? Watch how the fans had to be protected and got showered with numerous injuring objects and then watch how the Mexican fans were treated at the Columbus game last night. Did they fear for their safety?
US fans fearing for their safety is overblown, but saying dos a cero is a classless chant is like what you tell kindergarteners.
Wasn't there one game at Azteca some time after 9/11 that the crowd starting chanting "Osama!" when the US was playing there? "Dos a cero" is way more mild than that.
Dos a cero would be he equivalent of Mexicans chanting before last year "you can't win in Azteca" or "7000 feet" or whatever. The more I think of this thread, the more I think it has to be a windup.
They were escorted in by Police, they closed the roads, they said that the bus was being rocked last time they were there, they said deal with it if you got hit by flying objects, They were put in a section by themselves with barbed wire at the top of fences, that wasn't enough, so they surrounded them on 3 sides with over 100 federal police, they were surrounded by 100,000 Mexican fans. Despite all this precaution, At the end of the game a crazed man jumps up on fence, dozens of items were thrown, one man on camera had blood dripping down his face, slow motion of a projectiles that luckily misses heads, a ton of wasted beer and drinks, fans soaked walking out the police told them to hurry up. Its not me doing the overblowing its the Mexican Police in the hundreds doing it and they may know more about safety at MXNT soccer games than we do. If none of this was done do you think they'd be safe? I do not think they could sit with a family in a group of four like they were showing Mexican fans at the Columbus game.
Great stories. Just like the fish you caught that just kept getting bigger and bigger the more times you tell the story. I know gringos who say in the general fan section in the Azteca and I know multiple experiences fans who've been to the Azteca a host of times. I have been to US games in five Countries in concacaf and I can tell you that the actual danger level is pretty low. The police escort often makes the situation much worse as it did on Costa Rica this last Friday.
Then either that video is fake or the Police is just in it for the overtime and paid hundreds of people to throw items over them to convince everyone of their need. Would you take your wife, son and daughter to Azteca dressed in Red White and Blue and cheer loudly for the US. Just askin.