Rape/Sexual Assault Culture

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  1. JBigjake

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    The linked article offers a fairly compelling defense of the judge and how the "not fare well..." quote attributed to her may not even be hers. Now with that said, none of this should even be a discussion as those convicted of child rape should not have any options beyond death though I suppose a mandatory minimum in general population would suffice.

    http://www.delawareonline.com/story...ke-account-entire-sentencing-process/7134253/
     
  4. minerva

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    I don't think any child rapist does too well in prison - at least if they're part of the general population.
     
  5. soccernutter

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    As far as I understand, they are put in some sort of protection.
     
  6. minerva

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    that's probably true. I was in court once for a traffic ticket, and part of the ceremonies that morning was for the judge to hear bail requests from the previous weekends arrests (it was a Monday). we in the courtroom were watching it via CCTV. all of the people in jail were in one room during the process, then they escorted everyone out, but one guy for his bail hearing. turns out he was in jail for alleged child molestation.
     
  7. Belgian guy

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    http://www.washingtonpost.com/sf/national/2014/04/12/the-choice/

    Well worth the read!
     
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    When former member of parliament Jean-Pierre Van Rossem was sent to prison for tax fraud, he too was put in the "protected" wing. To his horror, most of the other men in his cell block were indeed child rapists. It was revealed after that he had been released that he had snitched on at least one such guy who had bragged about raping his teenaged daughter again during a weekend of prison leave.
     
  9. stanger

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    They let a child rapist out on leave and left the person he raped alone with him? Nice justice system you got there.
     
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  10. Belgian guy

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    Yes and apparently, yes.

    And yes.
     
  11. JBigjake

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    Perhaps the military needs to stop compelling alleged victims to decide whether or not their complaints should be investigated. I'm not saying that it's going to go much further, but at least there will be some investigation, as opposed to alleged rapists getting away with it.
    "as the days went on, ... she became more nervous, more angry and felt more out of control, until finally she went to her chief’s office, handed over her weapon and asked to go home."
    I'm amazed more women don't shoot their attacker.
     
  12. JBigjake

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    Meanwhile in England:

    According to the Conservative party not only should such matters not be reported to the police, but politicians should interfere in the business of prosecuting alleged sex offenders :ROFLMAO:



    You really couldn't make this stuff up.

    http://www.theguardian.com/politics...s-her-role-in-nigel-evans-sexual-assault-case
     
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  14. JohnR

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  15. JohnR

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    A call-out for Bill O'Reilly for packing a lifetime of stupid into this snippet, including that gem about rape accusations.

     
  16. Dr. Wankler

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    That was a pretty horrifying story (I taught part time at MSU several years ago when we lived about 10 miles north). Definitely had the same feel as the Jordan, MN, ritualistic child abuse scare from decades earlier.

    Ah: the story in a nutshell....

    Hoffner was pulled off the practice field in August 2012 and suspended by the school after an employee discovered three short videos of his naked or partially clothed children. He was arrested a few days later and charged with possession of child pornography and production of child pornography.

    Tuesday, he called the charges "ridiculous" and recounted spending the night "in a jail cell in an orange jumpsuit wondering why. First there was shock. Then there was fear. Then there was anger, and ultimately I pulled myself together and there was resolve. And that's what you see today."

    Testifying in his own defense in a motion-to-dismiss hearing in October 2012, he said: "There's nothing inappropriate in any of those videos," and explained the children, then ages 9, 8 and 5, were playing and acting silly after a bath. The judge saw it the same way, and dismissed the charges for lack of probable cause.

    But Hoffner was suspended by the school for 20 days without pay, then reassigned to another role. Last May, he was fired for undisclosed reasons.
     
  17. ToMhIlL

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    What I find hard to believe is that the guy would go back to the old job, considering how they treated him there. The place that hired him, who took a chance on him, they are the ones who deserve loyalty. But I'm not in his shoes, so I can't say.
     
  18. Dr. Wankler

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    He did say that 1) he had family there and 2) he built the program into a DII contender. So those are his shoes: like you, though, if they were my shoes, I'd shake the Mankato dust off of them and see what I could do for Minot State.
     
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    Rape is rape, except when it is non-consensual

    Seriously? I'd like to know how man women would walk around campus saying they have been raped. It's not a causal word or topic, and to drop it into a conversation is pretty deafening.

    Not that I think 100% is reasonable, but between 75% and 90% remain on campus? That not taking claims seriously.

    And read the part about Yale.
     
  20. JohnR

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    1) Nonconsensual sex is rape. The universities should not being doing that Owellian rewording.
    2) That said, this item bothers me -

    We are told that is a stone-cold example of rape.

    Hmmm.

    My college girlfriend lost her virginity that way. Not to me, but as a high school senior. Conflicted. Wanted to have sex, but didn't want to have sex because mama told her she shouldn't before marriage. She told me she cried for "three days" (probably an exaggeration) after losing her virginity to her high school boyfriend.

    No way she ever thought of that as rape. She dated the guy for 2 years, got engaged to him, was not angry at him, did not blame him. She agreed to the sex. She was upset and cried afterwards, but it was consensual.

    Was that young man a criminal? We should jail him?

    Hmmm.
     
  21. Auriaprottu

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    Wow! One of my HS classmates told me that his sister-in-law had done the exact same thing after losing her virginity to his older brother on their wedding night. She'd been wearing her chastity like a badge- so indoctrinated (his addition to the story) that she had come to think of her virginity as being a part of her identity instead of something she was saving for marriage.
     
  22. minerva

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    reminds me of the old joke about the South, where the newlywed wife proudly told her husband on the night they were about to consummate their marriage that she was a virgin and she had been saving herself just for him. upon hearing this, the husband became rather despondent and angry with her as in his opinion, if she wasn't good enough for her family, how could she be good enough for him??
     
  23. JohnR

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    I can see that happening. My young lady had rationalized to herself that she was still sort of a virgin, because she had intended marrying her previous boyfriend, so that was sort of like sex while married, thus she was a virgin outside of that semi-marriage situation.
     

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