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  1. Bosnian Diamond

    Bosnian Diamond Member+

    Aug 9, 2011
    Mars
    Club:
    FK Velez
    Nat'l Team:
    Bosnia-Herzegovina
    Bump (from 2005).

    :D
     
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  2. JamesBH11

    JamesBH11 Member+

    Sep 17, 2004
    #752 JamesBH11, Jan 6, 2014
    Last edited: Jan 6, 2014
    Sorry to correct, Eusebio played 390+ minutes at WC66 = 41.5min/goal

    So at WC level, he was #3 in history: (players with less than 4,5games or 4,5 goals not counted)"

    1- Sandor Kocsis WC54: 11goals/5games <= 39 mins per goal
    2- Juste Fontaine WC58: 13goals/6games ~= 40.5mins per goal
    3- Eusebio WC66: 9goals/6games = 41.5mins per goal
    4- Gerd Muller WC70: 10goals/6games = 54.5Mins per goal
    5- Pele WC58 : 6goals/4games = ~56mins per goal
    6- Ronaldo WC2002: 8goals/7games = 69mins per goal
     
  3. Iranian Monitor

    Iranian Monitor Member+

    Aug 18, 2004
    Nat'l Team:
    Iran
    Since 4.5 games or 4.5 goals isn't exactly a round number, can you tell us exactly which player(s) is being excluded from the list? Otherwise, perhaps you can exclude players with fewer than 3 goals or 3 games, but 4.5?
     
  4. ChaChaFut

    ChaChaFut Member

    Jun 30, 2005
    What I meant was, between his first goal and his 9th goal, 334 minutes passed. So I was referencing that particular run, not the tournament "total" goals/minutes ratio. Same with Kocsis - he scored and played more, but I was comparing his particular run of 9 goals (from his first to his 9th) vs. Eusébio's.

    I did have an error in the fact that from Kocsis' first to his 9th goal, only 244 minutes actually passed, making it an even harder to surmount record.
     
  5. JamesBH11

    JamesBH11 Member+

    Sep 17, 2004
    i see ...
     
  6. JamesBH11

    JamesBH11 Member+

    Sep 17, 2004
    #756 JamesBH11, Jan 7, 2014
    Last edited: Jan 7, 2014
    I meant 4 to 5 gmaes and goals (depends which WC)! NOT 4 dot 5 ...
    OK typical example is
    Salenko WC94 with 6goals/3games (all group) and 5goals were scored in 1 game and 1 another!!
    or Florian LAbert at WC62 4goals/3games but he scored 3goals in 1game ...and 1 another
     
  7. Iranian Monitor

    Iranian Monitor Member+

    Aug 18, 2004
    Nat'l Team:
    Iran
    Alright, thanks, but 4.5 still seems a strange cut off point. Since all the players in your list had at least 4 games, perhaps 4 games would be the cut off point? If that just puts a bunch names in the list that many would prefer to avoid, so be it. But it just looks like a cooked up list when you use 4.5 goals and 4.5 games as the cut off point!
     
  8. ChaChaFut

    ChaChaFut Member

    Jun 30, 2005
    Asamoah Gyan is the only player in WC history to miss 2 penalty kicks during the match. He hit the woodwork both times.

    2006 vs CZE: http://www.youtube.com/watch?&v=Dn9RA9KeTkg#t=1258

    2010 vs URU: http://www.youtube.com/watch?&v=IBDK-HEbIZs

    It's also anecdotal how before missing the PK in 2006 vs the Czechs, he took it and netted before the referee whistled, but the ref did not allow it, giving him a yellow card, and having him retake it, resulting in the miss.

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  9. JamesBH11

    JamesBH11 Member+

    Sep 17, 2004
    Yeah like I said depends on which WC. Before 80 4 games and 5golas. but after 80 5games and 4 goals
     
  10. deejay

    deejay Member+

    Feb 14, 2000
    Tarpon Springs, FL
    Club:
    Jorge Wilstermann
    Nat'l Team:
    Bolivia
    http://msn.foxsports.com/foxsoccer/...kicks-to-respect-wishes-of-late-mother-011613
     
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  11. 00Kevin

    00Kevin Member+

    Jun 13, 2006
    SoCal
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States

    Rep. and amazingly he had a third penalty he scored vs. australia. (not to mention one in the qf shootout) 3 in game pk attempts in I think 8 career world cup games, but who knows if that's a record of any kind.
     
  12. ChaChaFut

    ChaChaFut Member

    Jun 30, 2005
    Actually Gyan has taken 4 PKs during WC play, which is a record, shared with Eusébio, Rob Rensenbrink, and Gabriel Batistuta. Those 3, however, converted all of their 4 attempts. And yes, Gyan said he may never take another PK, out of respect to his late mother's wishes.
     
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  13. 00Kevin

    00Kevin Member+

    Jun 13, 2006
    SoCal
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    oh thats right, I forgot about the serbia game, I had a suspicion i was missing something
     
  14. glennaldo_sf

    glennaldo_sf Member+

    Houston Dynamo, Penang FC, Al Duhail
    United States
    Nov 25, 2004
    Doha, Qatar
    Club:
    FL Fart Vang Hedmark
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    hee hee... talking about Gyan... I got a vid of him taking a penalty for Al Ain when I visited my folks in Al Ain a couple of weeks ago... a little different from the world cup, but he's still got the knack...
     
  15. Pipiolo

    Pipiolo Member+

    Jul 19, 2008
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    Gyan is the only player in WC history to have taken a pk in four different matches, as Eusebio, Batistuta and Resenbrink all had at least one match with multiple pk's.
     
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  16. ChaChaFut

    ChaChaFut Member

    Jun 30, 2005
    According to Mister Chip, Franky Van der Elst (BEL) is the only player in WC history to wear 4 different shirt numbers
    (3-6-7-8)

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  17. Pipiolo

    Pipiolo Member+

    Jul 19, 2008
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    Interesting, did he play in each WC for Belgium?

    Kempes and Fillol played for Argentina with a different number in three WCs:

    WC74: Kempes #13, Fillol #12
    WC78: Kempes #10, Fillol #5
    WC82: Kempes #11, Fillol #7

    Very strange to see a goalkeeper wearing #7 on his jersey.
     
  18. unclesox

    unclesox BigSoccer Supporter

    Mar 8, 2003
    209, California
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
    As strange as seeing an outfield player wearing #1.

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  19. deejay

    deejay Member+

    Feb 14, 2000
    Tarpon Springs, FL
    Club:
    Jorge Wilstermann
    Nat'l Team:
    Bolivia
    Some Argentinian coaches used to assign numbers alphabetically. So Ardiles=#1. The idea is that no one has the starting spot assured.
     
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  20. ChaChaFut

    ChaChaFut Member

    Jun 30, 2005
    Yes, Van der Elst did play in each world cup - 1986 (4 games), 1990 (4), 1994 (4), 1998 (3). His teammate Enzo Scifo (who played in the same 4 tournaments as Van der Elst) is the only other Belgian player to have done it. Marc Wilmots was selected to 4 WCs, but only played in 3.


    The country with the most players who appeared in 4 or more world cups, is Italy (Rivera, Bergomi, Buffon, Cannavaro).
    Germany has 3 (Schnellinger, Seeler, Matthäus) - Klose could play in his 4th this summer.
    Brazil has 3 (D. Santos, Pelé, Cafu).
     
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  21. ChaChaFut

    ChaChaFut Member

    Jun 30, 2005
    Fixed
     
  22. ChaChaFut

    ChaChaFut Member

    Jun 30, 2005
    #772 ChaChaFut, Jan 16, 2014
    Last edited: Jan 16, 2014
    Top 10 single-tournament goalkeeper GA/90 ratio (minimum 180 minutes played)
    Code:
    Lorenzo Buffon, ITA ..... 1962 0.00
    Pascal Züberbuller, SUI . 2006 0.00
    Carlos Gallo, BRA ....... 1986 0.19
    Peter Shilton, ENG ...... 1982 0.20
    Eduardo, POR ............ 2010 0.25
    Gianluigi Buffon, ITA ... 2006 0.26
    Fabien Barthez, FRA ..... 1998 0.26
    Walter Zenga, ITA ....... 1990 0.27
    Iker Casillas, ESP ...... 2010 0.27
    Gordon Banks, ENG ....... 1970 0.33
    David Harvey, SCO ....... 1974 0.33
    Jean-Marie Pfaff, BEL ... 1982 0.33
    Thomas N'kono, CAM ...... 1982 0.33
    Erik Thorstvedt, NOR .... 1994 0.33
    Diego Benaglio, SUI ..... 2010 0.33
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  23. Dr. Gamera

    Dr. Gamera Member+

    Oct 13, 2005
    Wheaton, Maryland
    All right, 1962 World Cup historians, why did Lorenzo Buffon play Italy's first and last group-stage matches, but miss Italy's second group-stage match, which turned out to be the infamous Battle of Santiago? Cursory Internet searches have not yielded any answers.
     
  24. HomietheClown

    HomietheClown Member+

    Dusselheim FC 1971
    Sep 4, 2010
    Club:
    --other--
    That is kinda weird. Especially since he was the team captain.
    Without looking it up maybe he had some sort of mystery Chilean illness or Family emergency?
     
  25. unclesox

    unclesox BigSoccer Supporter

    Mar 8, 2003
    209, California
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
    #775 unclesox, Jan 16, 2014
    Last edited: Jan 16, 2014
    I don't know Italian and the only articles I could find about the goalkeeper change were in Italian.
    http://www.l-arcadinoe.com/it/2010/05/15/storia-nazionale-santiago-1962-seconda-parte/
    http://archiviostorico.corriere.it/2002/giugno/01/Cile_Italia_piu_pugni_che_co_0_0206015076.shtml
    So someone who's fluent can probably give better details, but here's how I was able to interpret it all.

    Omar Sívori, whose hotel room was next to where coaches Giovanni Ferrari and Paolo Mazza were staying, was said to have heard a 'lively' conversation between the two co-managers and two journalists, Gualtiero Zanetti and the influential Gianni Brera, on which players should play in the anticipated physical encounter against Chile. In the end there were six changes made from the team that had drawn 0-0 with Germany: Out were Lorenzo Buffon, Giacomo Losi, Cesare Maldini, Luigi Radice, Gianni Rivera and Sivori, replaced by Carlo Mattrel, Mario David, Paride Tamburus, Francesco Janich, Bruno Mora (who took over as captain) and Humberto Maschio. In reference to the changes, Mazza told reporters, "Ci vuole gente da combattimento" ('We want fighters').
    Something along those lines, anyway.
     

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