http://mediamatters.org/blog/2014/04/24/allies-repeatedly-compared-racist-rancher-to-ci/199005 Several conservative media figures are in an awkward position this morning after Cliven Bundy, the Nevada rancher they've spent weeks lionizing and comparing to civil rights heroes, was quoted by The New York Times saying appalling things about "the Negro." In a story published late Wednesday, the Times reported on a news conference Bundy held on Saturday, in which he "wondered," among other things, whether blacks were "better off as slaves". Bundy's racism follows weeks of conservatives championing his cause and comparing his fight with the federal government to those of fugitive slaves, Rosa Parks, and Martin Luther King Jr. Oops!
http://www.theatlantic.com/politics...wants-to-tell-you-all-about-the-negro/361152/ A couple days ago Jonathan Chait asserted that modern conservatism is "doomed" because it is "rooted in white supremacy." The first claim may or may not be true, but there's little doubt about the second. Whether it's the Senate minority leader claiming that America should have remained legally segregated, a beloved cultural figure fondly recalling how happy black people were living under lynch law, a presidential candidate calling Barack Obama a "food-stamp president," or a campaign surrogate calling Barack Obama "a subhuman mongrel," the preponderance of evidence shows that modern conservatism just can't quit white supremacy. This is unsurprising. White supremacy is one of the most dominant forces in the history of American politics. In a democracy, it would be silly to expect it to go unexpressed. Thus anyone with a sense of American history should be equally unsurprised to discover that rugged individualist Cliven Bundy is the bearer of some very interesting theories. Prick a movement built on white supremacy and it bleeds ... white supremacy.
Seems like maybe Sean Hannity has bet his retirement account on it turning violent, he's pretty much begging for it to happen. I say he should go there and stand in front.
http://santacruz.patch.com/groups/t...tch-in-pennsylvania-county-alarming-residents KKK start a neighborhood watch group, freak out neighborhood.
Are you seriously going to play the race angle John? The primary difference between Waco, Ruby Ridge and MOVE was that the latter was perpetrated by local law enforcement while the first two were committed by federal law enforcement (BATF/FBI). Last I heard, the separatist white militia types have some pretty big paranoia issues with the feds but not so much with local levels of government. Of course since you are claiming that the lack of outrage about the Philly incident is due to MOVE being mostly black lets look at it this way. In all 11 MOVE members were killed during the bombing at the hands of the Philly PD. At Waco 87 were killed not including the four BATF agents. Of the 87 Branch Davidians 29 were black, a handful each were Asian and Mexican. Almost half those killed weren't even American citizens. Maybe the outrage with regards to Waco and Ruby Ridge really has to do with federal law enforcement overstepping their boundaries at many levels and not race?
regarding the race issue....the MOVE leader was Black. All the MOVE members were Black. MOVE was centered in a Black neighborhood. The buildings destroyed were occupied (owned?) by Blacks. The same could not be said regarding Waco or Ruby Ridge. But, the opporation was quite military-like. So while it was perpertrated by the local PD, the local PD did not behave as if they were police.
in general, conservative whites fear the federal government (including law enforcement), but love their local government (including law enforcement), whereas poor blacks tend to have a favorable view of the federal government (which has historically tried to help them), but view local government, including law enforcement with suspicion (for good reason - as it has historically tried to suppress them).
It's worth remembering that Wilson Goode was Philly's mayor at the time MOVE was attacked, and not Frank Rizzo. I mention this because that's what I mistakenly remembered when this topic came up a couple years back. Rizzo had problems with MOVE, but so far as I know, never resorted to air power.
But they weren't though. A simple search of their website and wiki confirms this. If you are saying that all the dead were black then no argument. As far as the operation being military-like, dropping a couple of bombs from a helicopter is far from anything the military does or trains to do. Now Waco on the other hand is the perfect example of law enforcement using a military approach. It's not even a close comparison between the two. Also if it were truly a race issue as implied then I would be hard pressed to believe that many racists would speak out against something that led to the death of so many minorities from their side of the issue. Kinda goes against what they believe in.
poor conservative whites like to think of themselves as rugged individualists (that's the myth they've been fed for decades), and don't realize (or choose no to) the many ways in which they benefit from various Federal government welfare programs. instead, they see the Federal government as meddling in their affairs and trying to change their way of life. telling them things they don't want to hear, like, you can't discriminate based on race, gender, and sexual orientation; that it's not okay to lynch some black guy simply because you saw him holding hands with a white girl, etc. and then they have their highfalutin ideas about evolution, climate change, marriage equality, etc. meanwhile, the local governments and police have generally served to protect their "heritage" and "way of life" - i.e. prejudices.
http://kfor.com/2014/04/24/former-k...-caught-with-black-cross-dressing-prostitute/ Our white supremacist apparently has a thing for cross-dressing black male prostitutes.
It seems Europe has finally recognised my right to declare UDI for myself and the entire population of Maximus Towers, (myself, Mrs. Maximus, the cat and the goldfish... although I'm led to believe the cat may seek sanctuary with the woman next door as she's more generous with the cat food), which will hereafter be called MaximusLand or possibly 'The People's Socialist Republic Of MaximusLand' depending on how the plebiscite goes. This is a welcome and entirely necessary step in developing the harmonious social fabric the continent of Europe has needed for some time and is LONG overdue, IMO. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-cornwall-27132035 Cornish people will be granted minority status under European rules for the protection of national minorities. Chief Secretary to the Treasury Danny Alexander made the announcement on a visit to the county. Dick Cole, leader of Mebyon Kernow, which campaigns for Cornish devolution, said: "This is a fantastic development. This is a proud day for Cornwall." The Cornish will gain the same status as other Celtic communities the Scots, Welsh and Irish. Unfortunately this means any anti-Maximus sentiments expressed will be deemed unacceptable or, to put it another way, 'bang out of order', and the person expressing such views will be thought of as... well... I'll let this gentleman say it for me...
As far as I could tell, in 1985, all members of MOVE were Black. I'm not familiar with police training, but I don't believe they include practice dropping bombs. I fully agree with this. I just think the Philly PD shouldn't be getting a wash regarding how it operated versus MOVE. Both David Koresh and Randy Weaver are White. John Africa is Black.
OK what did that Welfare Rancher say now? Something about the blacks losing all their cotton pickin' skills due to the Guv'mint cheese being handed out for so long & being better off during slavery because at least us crackers kept them busy and all. It's not an uncommon meme of far-right Wingnuttia btw.
Apparently John Africa's wife after his death married another member of MOVE who turned out to be white. I can't recall nor could I find another instance of a police department be it city or state dropping bombs from a helicopter. My point was that you referred to it as a military style action which it really isn't since the military doesn't train to drop bombs from a helicopter either. In fact tossing hand grenades from a helicopter has been discouraged as far back as Vietnam for what are obvious reasons to me. The Philly PD didn't get a wash though. Putting aside the settlement some family members won from the city, the Mayor (who happens to be black) was harshly criticized along with the police department. The findings of at least one commission as well as the courts ripped the PPD to shreds. The fact that both Koresh and Weaver are/were white is irrelevant. John Africa and MOVE ended up in the position they did due to complaints from his neighbors in Powelton Village who just so happened to be predominantly black. According to it's co-founder MOVE from where it began to where it was in 1985 was radically different and from his perspective became nothing more than a cult. Of course I would take his opinion on the organization he co-founded with a grain of salt as he also happens to be white. The three incidents are completely different with regards to cause and effect. The outcomes were tragic and in the end the lack of real accountability is beyond pathetic but to say the lack of outrage is due to race is lazy.
Nah. A Nevada rancher and his crowd ain't going care about city black people, which is quite clear from Bundy's comments, but he didn't have to say it.
Was it common practice for the PPD to drop a bomb on a house because of someone complaining about noisy neighbours? I mean, no offence but I tend to think they were looking for a reason to have a go at them.
There had been threats against people who didn't join MOVE ,IIRC. Also they declared their neighborhood as an autonomous area not part of the city.