Projected 2012 At-Larges

Discussion in 'College & Amateur Soccer' started by jdgaucho, Nov 11, 2012.

  1. Sandon Mibut

    Sandon Mibut Member+

    Feb 13, 2001
    I think Coastal gets in but they made a sleepless night for themselves. If they don't get in, I'll understand because of the lack of quality wins.

    I have a hard time seeing Loyola getting in over Syracuse, Davis or Northwestern and only one of those three teams is likely getting in.
     
  2. scoachd1

    scoachd1 Member+

    Jun 2, 2004
    Southern California
    Going by last weeks Massey index, it looks like the team most likely to screwed this year will be Stanford. They finished 3rd in the best conference in the country. As of last week they were ranked 36 and beat Cal which was ranked 33th away 6-1. Previous to that they beat 66 San Diego St away 4-0. Lost to 4 UCLA away in OT and beat 41 Santa Barbara away in OT. They are coached by the same coach that took Charlotte to the finals last year with what is likely a less talented team.

    That said, when Stanford is snubbed it will be nowhere near as bad as when committed cheated the kids from Riverside last year. Not only was Riverside ranked as a top 20 team in Massey, but they were even ranked 34 in the NCAA garbage RPI system and should have received an at-large bid on that basis. Other teams that were screwed worse were Northridge at 22 and Washington at 26.
     
  3. collegesoccer

    collegesoccer Member+

    Apr 11, 2005
    I have to think that 8 win BC is in trouble. One quality win over Wake and crashed out in ACC quarters.
     
  4. Hax

    Hax BigSoccer Supporter

    Feb 1, 2000
    Yes, the NCAA snubbed a 19-2-1 Navy team in the women's tournament (and that 2nd loss was in the Patriot League final by a 1-0 score line).
     
  5. xpowerout

    xpowerout Member

    Nov 17, 2010
    Club:
    Tottenham Hotspur FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Did I just see someone call the Pac-6 the best conference in the country? I'm glad. Needed a good laugh to start the week.
     
  6. SydneyFan11

    SydneyFan11 Member

    Apr 13, 2012
    I don't think Coastal Carolina gets left out at No. 36.... though I'm sure there is precedent for it.

    As far as Rutgers goes, they have a high RPI -- but Syracuse much more deserving over them + USF.
     
  7. JoeSoccerFan

    JoeSoccerFan Member+

    Aug 11, 2000
    You must be a MAAC fan - since Niagara got the auto-bid, you go for the #1 seed, Loyola?
     
  8. PlayForKeeps

    PlayForKeeps Member

    Oct 12, 2008
    Middle America
    How much are the Quality Results going to be considered... for example, take these 4 Bubble Teams

    Top 50 Results:
    #37 Coastal Carolina: Win at #48 Campbell
    #38 Boston College: Win at #18 Wake Forest, Win at #45 Duke
    #40 Syracuse: Win v #33 Rutgers, Win at #26 South Florida, Win at #43 Villanova
    #41 Northwestern: Tie v #36 Xavier, Win v #25 Kentucky, Win v #27 Michigan, Win at #30 Michigan State, Win v #1 Notre Dame, Tie at #16 Indiana
     
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  9. jdgaucho

    jdgaucho Member

    Jan 8, 2012
    San Diego
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I'm a UCSB fan. But I feel like Loyola deserves an at-large. Here's some highlights of their overall body of work:

    Loyola is 13-6-1. RPI 44, SOS 69

    The Good: MAAC regular season champions. Two wins over other regular season conference champions (#91 Quinnipiac, #82 American).

    The Real Good: Two top-50 wins (#29 Cal State Northridge, #49 James Madison).

    The "Bad": Swept by #39 Niagara in a league which might not get two bids.

    The Ugly: Loss to #164 St. Joseph's (last in the A-10) and tie with #155 Saint Francis (PA).

    Loyola's regular season crown combined with their four solid wins should cover for their ugly results. I just hope it also offsets the Niagara sweep.
     
  10. thetank123

    thetank123 Member

    Dec 28, 2009
    What? You're arguing a 13-6-1 team should get into the tourney based off of being the MAAC regular season champs and beating CSUN and JMU? Just because Quinnipiac and American won their conferences means absolutely nothing. Inferior teams are inferior teams, no matter if they happen to be less inferior than the other inferior teams they are in a conference with.
     
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  11. WolverineFutbol

    Aug 1, 2012
    Just clicked on the NCAA bracket on the official website and saw Elon/Coastal Carolina as a first game. The bracket is empty except for that game.
     
  12. jdgaucho

    jdgaucho Member

    Jan 8, 2012
    San Diego
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States

    CSUN and JMU are two quality wins that I bet most of the bubblers lack. Winning your regular season crown doesn't hurt either. At least you should put Loyola ahead of Rutgers.

    Rutgers four best wins are comparable in terms of quality - #13 Louisville, #43 Villanova (who probably won't get in), #62 Charleston (who finished under .500) and #64 Princeton (over .500 and fourth in the Ivy). Do you also call Charleston and Princeton inferior teams?

    Rutgers has by far the superior computer numbers of the two, though that is major byproduct of the Big East. They also finished sixth in their division and failed to make their own conference tournament (10 of the 15 teams go), and are 7-7-1.
     
  13. CollegeFan

    CollegeFan Member

    Nov 10, 2009
    That is leftover from last year's bracket. Looks like they forgot that square when they wiped the bracket clean for 2012.
     
  14. collegesoccer

    collegesoccer Member+

    Apr 11, 2005
    Rutgers is not your problem. Syracuse and Northwestern are another story.
     
  15. jdgaucho

    jdgaucho Member

    Jan 8, 2012
    San Diego
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Syracuse defeated Rutgers h2h and finished 2nd in the same division. I'll take Syracuse or Northwestern over Loyola as long as Rutgers does not get in.
     
  16. JoeSoccerFan

    JoeSoccerFan Member+

    Aug 11, 2000
    I was just teasing you about being a MAAC fan.

    I was at the Loyola matches against CSUN and JMU matches. Neithervisiting team was very good. CSUN is a different team than what I saw in the BW final and what I saw out east.

    I saw the Rutgers-Louisville match. Louisville was better, but they weren't able to score. It happens. Congrats Rutgers.

    I'll go a step further, not only are Princeton and Charleston "inferior" teams, but Villanova isn't very good either.
     
  17. JoeSoccerFan

    JoeSoccerFan Member+

    Aug 11, 2000
    In my order of preference, Syracuse, NW, Loyola, Rutgers
     
  18. thetank123

    thetank123 Member

    Dec 28, 2009

    These RPI numbers do a disservice to our "means absolutely nothing prognosticating". I'm going to miss these in the future :-(
     
  19. jdgaucho

    jdgaucho Member

    Jan 8, 2012
    San Diego
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    you ain't alone in that regard. we'll all miss these numbers.
     
  20. jdgaucho

    jdgaucho Member

    Jan 8, 2012
    San Diego
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Air Force at Washington. Winner faces the #12 seed Creighton.
     
  21. perspixx

    perspixx Member

    Oct 20, 2005
    Temecula, Calif.
    Syracuse is in.
     
  22. jdgaucho

    jdgaucho Member

    Jan 8, 2012
    San Diego
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Syracuse got in and will play at Cornell. The winner goes to #14 seed VCU.
     
  23. jdgaucho

    jdgaucho Member

    Jan 8, 2012
    San Diego
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    South Florida is in and hosts FGCU. The winner goes to #11 Tulsa.
     
  24. jdgaucho

    jdgaucho Member

    Jan 8, 2012
    San Diego
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Cal State Northridge hosts USD. Winner is off to #6 seed UCLA.
     
  25. jdgaucho

    jdgaucho Member

    Jan 8, 2012
    San Diego
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Marquette the #7 seed. They host the Western Illinois/Northwestern winner.
     

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