Pro/Rel Between USLPRO and NASL how would it work?

Ok how about a thread for @WhiteStar Warriors ?



If USL and NASL got over their issues and worked out a Promotion-relegation between the two how do you think it would work.



IGNORE MLS for now, just concentrate on D2 and below.

Note that many/most leagues around the world have a limit on how far down the pyramid goes, they have a hard separation between Professional and Amateur.


Also how would you include Canada and maybe the Caribbean (at least the 2 teams from the CFU that already play in the USA system).

Dang it, I fucked up the title

Well it would be great, but the higher-ups need to come together for the good of the game.

What if the USLPRO champion does not meet the USSF imposed standards for Div 2 soccer ?

If they have good fan support, they can get a waiver. The question is will they lose more money in NASL or in USL.

and maybe they don't want that

and what if a relegated NASL team, let's say for istance FC Edmonton, does not want to play in USL PRO and prefers to fold ?

You know they were together at one time, right? And supposedly had a system of promotion and relegation, right?

The language actually first appeared in the USISL’s 1997 Media Guide: “Promotion/relegation: The A-League will be linked to the rest of the USISL structure through a promotion system which entitles the USISL Division III champion to be promoted to the A-League, provided that the team to be promoted meets criteria set by the USISL and the USSF. The 1997 USISL D3 Pro League champion will be eligible for promotion to the A-League for 1998. Relegation may also be added at some future date, but will not be enacted in 1997.” Incidentally, this language appeared, with occasional tweaks, through the 2003 guide (with a note that the women’s W-2 champ could also be promoted from 1999-2001).

And several teams did move up (and down) between the Division II and Division III (and PDL) levels over the course of time. It didn't go well for most of them.

This is just another circle jerk thread.

So it's better to have teams fold without pro/rel.?

We all know teams in no pro/rel leagues their chances of folding are greater.

Look at US Soccer history...but if you never try you will never know.

Because, surely, they would never fold with it? Right?

Based on a Wikipedia entry you found, and which is now your Meme of the Moment. Even though you completely ignore every single other factor.

I just pointed you to US Soccer history, dipshit. The majority of teams that have gone through the pro/rel system that we do have have folded. You're not going to keep teams in this country from folding and it has ********-all to do with whether or not there's pro/rel.

"If you never try you will never know."

Tell me again why we need to know? To satisfy your Euro ass? To satisfy the ********ing proles?

No one is going to vote to institute this system because the people who are actually investing millions on teams don't give a shit if you think they need to know if pro/rel works.

By the way, how long ago was it that you were "over the pro/rel talk" because "it's not gonna happen?"

So USL had self-promotion and self-relegation between divisions. Nobody is talking about MLS genius. only pro/rel in lower leagues, you have something in your brain when somebody posts about pro/rel you automatically think MLS.

Then they do not go up, same as in Japan or Mexico (Between D3 and D2). In those countries Clubs must meet minimum requirements (stadiums, professional, economic, etc.) Before they are allowed into the pyramid (Japan from the National League to the J2 League and Mexico from Liga Premier de Ascenso to Liga de Ascenso).

What if numbers 1, 2 and 3 do not meet the USSF imposed standards, do we promote the number 4 then ?

There are many things they could do, say the team that loses the final gets to go up if the champion does not meet D2 standards, or no team goes up at all.

Shit if USLPRO does go regional, say 4 or 8 different region we could have the champions of each region get promoted (eventually)

Say we start East and West, then the 2 champions (East Champ and West Champ) win promotion and the bottom 2 NASL go play in USLPRO.


Obiously this ain't going to happen, because NASL is not going to get rid of Expansion fees, shit with out the fees the league probably would be out of business. Traffic probably only keeps the league running waiting to cash in the expansion fees.

Sadly pay to play is the rule of the land here in the USA, and doubt any system that gets rid of pay to play will ever succeed.

Not only the NASL likes expansion fees, also USL PRO like them a lot

“We are thrilled to welcome FC New York as the newest addition to the USL First Division,” said USL Executive Vice President and COO Tim Holt.

He was probably MORE thrilled they received another expansion fee from a buch of suckers

Funny WSW reps you but NASL is on the same boat.

I guess part of the USSF standards would be all qualified USLPRO teams must pay a "Promotion fee" to NASL to be allowed to get promoted. USSF should dictate the amount.

In exchange NASL is not allowed to have any more expansion teams, all their future teams must come from USLPRO.

That would guarantee USL a flow of expansion fees since all teams must first play (and pay) in their league.

MLS, NASL, USLPRO, PDL, NPSL all love to sell expansion fees

Not possible. This is what drives me batty. It's an untenable condition.

I'm not even sure why anyone would want to waste time on this sort of fantasy world where things aren't interrelated.

I mean, it's tough enough to analyze and figure out reality. If I want to deal with fantasy, it's going to involve Megan Fox or Veronica Paysse and not the structure of professional soccer leagues in the U.S. and Canada.

I think it's time to re-do the minor league forums again. Maybe even combine D2/D3 so that we can have a critical mass of posters needed to separate N&A threads from circle jerk threads.

EDIT: Anybody with me? I've created a forum request thread here:
http://www.bigsoccer.com/community/threads/please-restructure-nasl-usl-forum-structure.1980108/

''weesh fantasee doo yoo hef?''

Man, that's old school. Can I invoke Joan Severance?

Follow the logic: one of the major problems in lower-level soccer on these shores in the modern era has been organizations that have, clearly, not been funded well enough to allow them to be viable business concerns at the professional level.

So some want to implement a system that makes it easier for those types of teams to overreach, and decry a system that puts economic wherewithal as a primary factor in determining the level where they play.

Why is that again?

Financial reality is just that: reality. People who are "good guys" or who "have their hearts in the right place" or do things "to give back to the community" or "for the good of the game" are commendable. But unless they can pay the freight to compete at a higher level, they only screw things up when they try to play there.

(sigh)

If I had a dollar for every point you've ever missed, my family would have a hell of a Christmas.

You know the post you reference doesn't mention MLS, right? I mean...you get that, right?

God, you're the absolute dumbest person in the Western Hemisphere.

Discussions/Reactions in the MLS forums about Paysse were how I was able to tell the teenagers from the adult men.

yes indeed, plus only 20% is in favor

This poll will close on Sep 19, 2015 at 12:07 PM.
Yes 1 vote(s) 20.0%
* No 4 vote(s) 80.0%

no kiddin'

Development is better where their is pro/rel:

8:00 Podcast with Brent Goulet

He also talked about how he got traded to team that was about to get relegated and it helped his overall development.

http://ia601506.us.archive.org/13/i...astBrentGoulet/FootballGarden-brentGoulet.mp3