Practical Libertarianism

Discussion in 'Politics & Current Events' started by superdave, Feb 21, 2012.

  1. minerva

    minerva Member+

    Apr 20, 2009
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    in Denver, all you have to do is take a digit between 1 and 9, and dial it 7 times, and BAM! you got yourself a taxi!
     
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  2. tomwilhelm

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    Dec 14, 2005
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    You guys think regulatory capture is bad in NYC? Try the Boston taxi situation. Utterly ********ing retarded...
     
  3. minerva

    minerva Member+

    Apr 20, 2009
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    couldn't find another thread to post this in - figured this would be the closest.

     
  4. fatbastard

    fatbastard Member+

    Aug 1, 2003
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    I watched the end of the debate on LINK TV, it was pretty good to hear someone actually caring about the rights of the American People during a presidential debate.
    As wanted by the evil librul media, I had no idea at all it was being held or televised.
     
  5. minerva

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    I hadn't either. didn't even know such a debate was taking place until after the fact when I read this article. just goes to show that the media isn't either liberal or conservative. it's just mainstream. and they cover mainstream events and candidates. anything/anyone that's an outlier, you'll have to find an outlier media source to find out about it.
     
  6. fatbastard

    fatbastard Member+

    Aug 1, 2003
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    There was a mention of it on the Gary Johnson thread over in Elections, but I don't read that (I went looking afterward) and even the graphic for the event that they posted only said it would be streamed online, didn't mention TV at all.
     
  7. Matt in the Hat

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    Sep 21, 2002
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    Does anyone disagree that practical libertarianism took a big hit in LA with this porn/condom proposition passing? In addition to mandating condoms,it will require porn producers to apply for a permit from the LA County Department of Public Health to shoot sexscenes. The fee will finance periodic inspections of porn filming,and violations will be subject to civil fines and criminal misdemeanor charges. What a pile of bullshit!

    Congratulations Nevada. You just inherited a multi million dollar industry.
     
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  8. Timon19

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    Jun 2, 2007
    Akron, OH
    Yep. California in general is working really hard on destroying itself from every possible angle.
     
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  9. superdave

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    Jul 14, 1999
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    https://www.vox.com/policy-and-poli...st-certificate-of-need-north-carolina-lawsuit

    This is interesting.

    On the one hand, why shouldn't this guy be able to offer cheap MRIs? On the other hand, my understanding is that certificates of need function, in part, to prevent hospitals in the same city from creating an overabundance of supply. Under normal economics, that leads to cheaper services, but in the medical field, it usually leads to tons of unnecessary tests.
     
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  10. superdave

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    Jul 14, 1999
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    https://talkingpointsmemo.com/feature/koch-occupational-licensing

    Joe Biden has taken up the cause. I would like to see this become a mainstream Democratic position. To reiterate my first post...don't deregulate brain surgery. Deregulate hair braiding and nail care and stuff like that.
     
  11. JohnR

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    Jun 23, 2000
    Chicago, IL
    This hasn't aged very well.
     
  12. JohnR

    JohnR Member+

    Jun 23, 2000
    Chicago, IL
    And any regulations that any state has about liquor sales, thanks much. Yeah I know states' rights, but the only "right" they will exercise in such a case is imposing needless regulations that are at best a hassle for consumers, and at worst also costly.
     
  13. xtomx

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    Sep 6, 2001
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    No. Just no.

    This sort of deregulation will encourage unqualified people to enter various professions.

    Without licensure, there is virtually no risk and no liability, for unscrupulous actors and little recourse for harmed individuals.

    A largely unregulated mortgage broker industry in the 1990's and early 2000's helped bring about the real estate boom (by brokering ridiculous 80/20 loans and related semi-legal mortgage products that consumers did not understand and could not afford) and the subsequent bust, costing 100,000's of people their homes, and creating hardships for millions of others.

    We see this everyday with home repair schemes/scams, roofing scams and related problems with under-regulated professions.

    Regulated real estate brokers, cosmeticians, etc. already can cause damage. Unregulated ones would cause catastrophe.

    Sorry, I may take my chances doing electrical work myself, but if I am hiring someone to do it, I want to make sure they have the proper credentials.

    Sure, the "market" may eventually drive out the unscrupulous actors, but not after leaving devastation in their wake, with no one (except, maybe, the government) to pick up the pieces.

    Let's see Joe Biden lose his hair from an unregulated hair weaver who used lye on his fine, 80 year old hair, or worse, an unregulated dental hygienist who "over bleaches" and damages his pearly whites, with Biden left without recourse...other than to sue. Of course, the unregulated actor incorporated and the corporation would have dissolved to avoid liability, simply reforming under another entity.

    Admittedly, filing a complaint against a regulated company or licensed individual may have limited effect, but the risk of losing one's license and be subject to rest of the enforcement scheme of the regulating agency, should incentivize the actor to work within the rules.

    No thanks. This would be about item 123 out of the 130 or so things the Democratic Platform could choose to promote.
     
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  14. charlie15

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    Mar 9, 2000
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    Unlike most of Libertarian positions and predictions..... (Looking for a sarcasm emoji...)
     
  15. ceezmad

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    For sure, who wants cheap unlicensed workers, they are dangerous.

    That is why nobody ever hires Undocumented laborers to do work around the house, hell's no, they don't have licensees to do the work, "only" crazy people would hire any of them. :whistling:
     
  16. xtomx

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    Sep 6, 2001
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    #116 xtomx, Oct 23, 2019
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    If you cannot tell the difference between I posted and your response, I really cannot help you.

    My comments had nothing to do with "cheap unlicensed" workers, or workers at all.
    My comments also had nothing to do with laborers, documented or undocumented.

    In fact, your comment was not only unrelated to my comments, but not even relevant to what Biden had said, what Koch had said or anything else related to the conversation.

    Nobody is saying that you cannot hire "cheap unlicensed laborers to do work around the house," the discussion was about getting rid of licensing and regulation schemes for various professions, thus making ALL of then "unlicensed" professionals.

    This is my objection.

    As for hiring "cheap unlicensed" workers or undocumented laborers, one can do that (although, with undocumented workers, not legally). It is a risk and there is no recourse if something goes terribly wrong.
     
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  17. JohnR

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    Jun 23, 2000
    Chicago, IL
    Around here, most of the housework, landscaping, roofing, and so forth is done by immigrants who don't speak English, many of which are surely undocumented, but their work is supervised by people who are on the grid, and who are thus regulated by whatever laws cover such work.
     
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  18. Cascarino's Pizzeria

    Apr 29, 2001
    New Jersey, USA
    Oh, I dunno. I'd trust the law firm of Kardashian, Kardashian & Kanye if my life was on the line. :D
     
  19. Cascarino's Pizzeria

    Apr 29, 2001
    New Jersey, USA
    Our sidewalks at work are being re-done right now. The supervisors are gringos with their names on the trucks. But the workers look to be 100% Messican.
     

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