Post Match: USA vs Canada; 1-29-13

Discussion in 'USA Men: News & Analysis' started by neems, Jan 29, 2013.

  1. Crazy_Yank

    Crazy_Yank Member

    Jan 8, 2001
    Matamoros, Mexico
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    They still wouldn't concede 8 goals against Honduras.
     
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  2. FloridaFC2MLS

    FloridaFC2MLS Member

    Oct 17, 2009
    Florida
    Club:
    Orlando City SC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I dont even care to talk about this match anymore tbh. Did anything truly change anyones opinion on anything? That match was truly so lackluster that Jurgen will almost have to go completely on who played well in camp rather than the match itself.
     
  3. schrutebuck

    schrutebuck Member+

    Jul 26, 2007
    Keep in mind...

    Klinsmann would take this 0-0 drudgery at San Pedro Sula in 8 days.
     
  4. Soccerglue

    Soccerglue Member

    Jul 24, 2005
    Atlanta
    Club:
    Atlanta
    Nat'l Team:
    United States

    Beltran did well? He never tried to go forward at all. The few chances he had to serve a ball he hit a crap ball. It was hard to say about the backs since Canada never attacked. I thought Agudelo looked good when Canada was not kicking him. I also felt Feilhaber was okay. I am still not a fan of Beckerman at the international level.
     
  5. CANPRO

    CANPRO Member+

    Dec 23, 2002
    Look at the recent u17 and u20 results.
     
  6. soccerusa517

    soccerusa517 Member+

    Jun 23, 2009
    Ohio
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    So can we get clarification on Mix? Injured? Deemed not good enough/coaches decision? Fell asleep during the nutritional seminar?
     
  7. AutoPenalti

    AutoPenalti Am I famous yet?

    Sep 26, 2011
    Coconut Creek
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Twice in a row have we had no clue what to do against a shitty Canadian side...
     
  8. Martin Fischer

    Martin Fischer Member+

    Feb 23, 1999
    Kampala. Uganda
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Oh, the team always looks like crap in the first game after the January camp. I really wonder why .....?

    This whining is almost as old and pointless as the MLS won't sell players crap.
     
  9. stonejh127

    stonejh127 Member+

    Sep 9, 2011
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Yes, it changed my opinion of January camps!
     
  10. neems

    neems Member+

    Liverpool FC
    United States
    Apr 14, 2009
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I meant the last World Cup. Yes, I agree this match was not flattering by any means.
     
  11. CANPRO

    CANPRO Member+

    Dec 23, 2002
    I don't think any country outside American Samoa would.
     
  12. jond

    jond Member+

    Sep 28, 2010
    Club:
    Levski Sofia
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    But this is partly a result of what is stressed in MLS, where most of these guys tonight play. Hopefully more MLS coaches start stressing tactics and improve their teaching of them. Some do, but it's pretty apparent it needs to be stressed much more when we see mostly MLSers out there, the best in the league, and their runs are non existent and the ideas just not there. But it's not something we didn't already know, that tactics in MLS might be the real weak point at this point in time.

    What was a little surprising was how poorly the movement/ideas/even simple link ups/1-2's were from the best in MLS. Of course part is JK and that always enters into it, but this was the Canadian c team, and to not naturally be able to impose your will more at this level is a bit ridiculous. We really shouldn't need much, if any coaching to look better than we did against this team. The best MLS has to offer should look better and be expected to look better.

    It's not even the score line. It's more the ideas, the movement, how players read the game and how they took advantage of runs/openings. It was spectacularly poor aside from 2-3 attacking players, mainly Gatt and Agudelo, and a little Benny. And after spending 3 weeks together, day in day out, I really wonder what these guys are taught daily in season.
     
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  13. Berks

    Berks Member+

    Dec 22, 2010
    NorCal
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    He needs a passing game.

    I'm not ready to write him off by any sense of the imagination because to his credit, he showed up and tried to push tonight. And he was better than a lot of the team.

    But I still don't see the drooling that some do.
     
  14. Bolivianfuego

    Bolivianfuego Your favorite Bolivian

    Apr 12, 2004
    Fairfax, Va
    Club:
    Bolivar La Paz
    Nat'l Team:
    Bolivia
    Not physical enough for the NT, or so it seems from earlier reports out of the camp.
     
  15. Nyghtewynd

    Nyghtewynd I'd Rather Walk Alone

    May 30, 2006
    St. Louis, MO
    Club:
    Olympique Lyonnais
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    We didn't see one guy tonight who will get meaningful (or maybe any) minutes in eight days. These are just the guys who won't get out of their group at the Gold Cup. No worries.
     
  16. Lloyd Heilbrunn

    Lloyd Heilbrunn Member+

    Feb 11, 2002
    Jupiter, Fl.
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I should have watched Vegas, at least there is some action at the casino.

    Truly dreadful, not an ounce of creativity by anyone not named Feilhaber, who actually put a few guys through, and had some good set plays. But even he was poor on the 2 FKs from shooting distance.

    Beckerman did his job and Zusi had a few good crosses, but rest of the midfield and forward play was just blah.

    I love how ESPN gets a theme to feature Davis, Wondo, and Gonzo and ignores how they are actually playing. Davis and Wondo showed little. Gonzo was fine but it should have been pointed out that he was pretty much untested.

    At least we learned both one Davis has one of the best left foots in MLS, and that the other Davis can't speak English properly.
     
  17. Bolivianfuego

    Bolivianfuego Your favorite Bolivian

    Apr 12, 2004
    Fairfax, Va
    Club:
    Bolivar La Paz
    Nat'l Team:
    Bolivia
    I don't disagree. He was pretty greedy tonight....but truthfully... why not, in this game? From what I remember during the RUssia game, he has good combination play, but once you give it to him, it's pretty much 'get out of his way' because he's going to take it all the way in from deep. Just give him a hole kind of like a running back.
     
  18. neems

    neems Member+

    Liverpool FC
    United States
    Apr 14, 2009
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    You would think our country might approach a style of play after 20 years of growth, but we haven't. That is completely frustrating.
     
  19. leppercut

    leppercut Member+

    Oct 10, 2006
    SLC and Anchorage
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Sorry to disappoint
     
  20. deuteronomy

    deuteronomy Member+

    Angkor Siem Reap FC
    United States
    Aug 12, 2008
    at the pitch
    Club:
    Siem Reap Angkor FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    The good:

    1. We kept a shutout.
    2. Omar and Bessler continue on
    3. Other than that, I thought Feilhaber looked decent.
    4. A lot of effort and hustle (and not like it made a difference)
    5. It seemed like we might be dangerous on the set pieces

    Not so good:

    1. Holy Smokes. where were the fans?
    2. What were we working on in training the past two weeks?
    3. We were missing an edge and a sharpness that said "We came to play, dominate and
    protect our turf"
    4. Too much scrambling, not enough of an orchestrated or designed plan.
    Anyone see a clear idea of the strategy or tactics?
    5. Seemed like a lot of passes ended up out of bounds.
    6. Where was the creative spark? (Mix?)
    7. I had no idea who the starting lineup might be. It would not have surprised me to
    see EJ and Zusi not start to afford the younger players time. That so, I would have expected
    those two and Wondo to dominate, yes, dominate (in the direction of DeRo) offensively. They did not
    8. Very surprised to see the two defensive minded center midfielders to start, Beckerman and Evans in a 4-4-2. And I had no trouble with Beckerman starting.

    We will know more after the Honduras match.
     
  21. Bclay

    Bclay Member

    May 29, 2012
    Virginia Beach, VA
    Club:
    Everton FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    If I watch the same game in 8 days, I'll be OK with it. If I watch the same game in 56 days I'll be ecstatic.
     
  22. FloridaFC2MLS

    FloridaFC2MLS Member

    Oct 17, 2009
    Florida
    Club:
    Orlando City SC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    This is my guess on what Jurgen takes from here...
    Zusi, Johnson, & Gonzalez are definites for Honduras. Besler, Davis, & Gatt are probably's. Morrow may be there depending on Fabian Johnson's status.
    Beckerman = I have no idea. He played fine but it really depends on what Jurgen is thinking. With Williams not doing too hot at Hoffenheim & Jones questionable he might be a "probably" but Jurgen might have just always planned on this being the last of Kyle. We'll have to see about him.
     
  23. keller4president

    Jan 5, 2006
    As to Gatt - love his energy, but he's got like zero soccer IQ. Tries to dribble past too many people, waits too long to hit the ball into the box when driving on the flank, etc. I don't want to say he's a poor man's Robbie Rogers, but he's not exactly a rich man's Robbie Rogers either.

    Let's face it, the Norwegian/Swedish leagues are really not that great. Mix didn't make the bench for this one, Bedoya showed average, Gatt was the same.

    Feilhaber only one of offensive players who impressed me - he knows how to dribble and distribute, a true WC veteran. I really don't know why he didn't start this game (and why Evans was put in his place). Sheer idiocy.
     
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  24. ArsenalMetro

    ArsenalMetro Member+

    United States
    Aug 5, 2008
    Chicago, IL
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    We do have a style of play. It just very much resembles Stoke.
     
  25. Berks

    Berks Member+

    Dec 22, 2010
    NorCal
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    They do. With their clubs. This was such a weirdly disjointed display I don't get it.

    You and I talk about this a lot jond, I give the coaching more credit than you do, and we are not going to agree on this one, so I'm just going to post my thoughts once here knowing that we don't see eye to eye.

    But these guys look so much more creative on their clubs I was surprised by the careful play tonight. They were so CAREFUL. Timid... That's not what I'm used to seeing. Hell, Brad Davis attacked more during the MLS Cup.

    It didn't help that we tried to play through the fullbacks in the first half and they kinda sucked. Morrow didn't seize his opportunity.
     

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