PL Match 27: Newcastle United vs Dirty Mackems, Sunday 4th March. [R]

JayRockers! · Mar 4, 2012

JaredSS07 said: ↑

How did Shola not get to take the penalty he won? Sure victory had he smashed it in.

Probably team orders, you win it, you don't take it. Don't know if Ba won the two he took. Loven took 2 in the LC as well.

JayRockers! · Mar 4, 2012

tigerdave said: ↑

Not necessarily. Only two points off Chelsea and Roman just sacked AVB.

We've given away 4 in the last two games. Despite the comeback, I'm convinced the squad has taken it's foot of the accelerator.

tigerdave · Mar 4, 2012

JayRockers! said: ↑

We've given away 4 in the last two games. Despite the comeback, I'm convinced the squad has taken it's foot of the accelerator.

Maybe, maybe not. The Arsenal game is the one that will tell, I think. Based on the second half, if Ben Arfa plays from the onset we can get something out of it. If Pardew goes back to the same old starting XI (which he should realize by now doesn't work...) then we're dicked.

Shameus · Mar 4, 2012

Pardew's tactics for the past 2 months almost have been horrible. He is too stubborn to adjust to his players and forces them to continue to play a system that does not fit their abilities. I hope that he has finally gotten it through his head that the offense is much better with Ben Arfa on the pitch. You don't play him for his defense. If there are concerns about Simpson than switch the right footed Jonas over in front of him and let HBA play in front of Santon who doesn't need the help. This team is so pedestrian without HBA in the game though. And Pardew's whole fist/arm pump with a Ric Flair "WOOOOO" as he walked towards O'Neil after the penalty was caused and the goal were juvenile and I'd expect a little better from the manager. Doing that towards the pitch or your own bench, fine. Walking over to rub it in the opposition's face is beneath a professional manager.

tigerdave · Mar 4, 2012

If we're going to insist on playing 4-4-2, we need Ben Arfa on the left and Jonas on the right. I still think 4-3-3 is our best formation because then one of Guthrie/Cabaye can get forward. Cabaye stays way too deep when there's just him and Tiote so there's very little threat coming from the center of the park.

tigerdave · Mar 4, 2012

JayRockers! · Mar 4, 2012

Shameus said: ↑

And Pardew's whole fist/arm pump with a Ric Flair "WOOOOO" as he walked towards O'Neil after the penalty was caused and the goal were juvenile and I'd expect a little better from the manager. Doing that towards the pitch or your own bench, fine. Walking over to rub it in the opposition's face is beneath a professional manager.

It's not like a leopard can change his spots.

Thx,

Jay!

tigerdave · Mar 4, 2012

In Pardew's defense, he held his hand up in the postgame interview and admitted he "didn't exactly cover himself in glory" there. Of course, it's not the first time he's done something dumb either.

MagpieFan · Mar 4, 2012

I'm still operating with the conspiracy theory that despite the number of jerseys a stint in Eurpoa league might garner, Ashley doesn't want to pay for the quality and depth it'd take to be part of that club. So, 'below Europe but above relegation' is what Pardew has been asked to create.

Russell1892 · Mar 5, 2012

I love Shola Ameobi.

First off I agree with TD and others about the tactics, I was disappointed to see us line up in the exact same way we did against Wolves because we saw in that game (and others prior) that its not just "on the day" they didn't play, that formation doesn't work. Cisse gets too far forward, to effectively take us down to ten men, and that "playing on the shoulder of the last man" style only works if there is space in behind and someone capable of playing in a killer pass. That person could be Cabaye, but as TD mentioned above he and Tiote don't venture far north of the center circle these days. Raylor on the wing does pretty much nothing (other than set pieces), and having Simpson and Raylor on the same flank doesn't give us any real attacking thrust down that side. And its not that solid defensively by the fact that it invites pressure due to the lack of said attacking. As I said after the Wolves game, what is supposed to be the plan to create chances?

I was delighted to see HBA brought on at half time, and I would have started him. I could see why he sacrificed Santon, Raylor at LB was part of our great start when we were so solid defensively. Santon does bomb on a bit too much which leaves us vulnerable to counter-attacks.

HBA seems to create chances or score every time he gets on the pitch, which must be frustrating for him as I'm sure he tries too hard sometimes. He's that bit of class that you need to unlock defences though. Start him Pardew, give him a run of games. Get his confidence up and we could have some player on our hands. Sometimes I feel like HBA is being judged by different standards to other players... I don't know if that's because of the way he trains or just because of the amount of talent he has. Obertan got a lot of patience from Pardew... Raylor gets picked despite being ineffective. I'm sure HBA's stats must be far superior to his competitors is all I'm saying.

I'm pleased we didn't lose in the circumstances but the fact is we took two points from a possible six in the last two games, four would have been a decent return, but if Pardew had shown more ambition I think we would have had six.

Regarding the celebrating winning a penalty, it seemed to stem from some people (Frazier Campbell) on the Mackem bench celebrating in front of our fans when they scored. Not to excuse Pardew, he should be bigger than that, don't go down to their level.

And a final point, f*ck me how ugly is the mackem team? I'm amazed their calendar wasn't banned under the obscene publications act.

Killakakam · Mar 5, 2012

MagpieFan said: ↑

I'm still operating with the conspiracy theory that despite the number of jerseys a stint in Eurpoa league might garner, Ashley doesn't want to pay for the quality and depth it'd take to be part of that club. So, 'below Europe but above relegation' is what Pardew has been asked to create.

I think the acquisition of Cisse says otherwise. This "below europe and above relegation" could have been achieved quite easily without spending pretty big money on Cisse. Points to a little more ambition than we thought Ashley had in my opinion.

Shameus · Mar 7, 2012

I've been waiting for Wasp's recap of the game and today I finally got it. Passing it along as always:

Pardew's behaviour towards O'Neill was painfully small time and his non-apology apology afterwards compounded the matter. When it comes following a spell in which both his tactics and selection have been dubious, it's still more annoying.

Rob Smyth of the Grauniad is a journalist I've little time for usually, but to his credit I'd give credence to a suggestion that he made yesterday-namely that the Man U win has worked against NUFC in the sense that it has encouraged Pardew to place greater emphasis on early balls forward rather than possession football.

Certainly, Newcastle had their worst beginning to a home derby since the accursed 1990 match. The team has got where it is thanks to great doses of patience and discipline; those were almost none-existent. sunderland had balance and an extra man in midfield but the only real moment of quality in the first half was Bendtner's turn and shot. Stupidity and desperation were the hallmarks of NUFC; the mackems offered stupidity, an organised gameplan and Michael Turner showing tremendous resilience just a year after he was humiliated at SJP. I pitied Mike Dean trying to cope with the blanket idiocy from both sides and I thought he did well.

I don't know about you, but I feel that Simpson's defensive vulnerability is overstated. Anyway, Raylor had a nightmare-killing promising moves by anxiously releasing passes too early and dreadful from most set-pieces. I understand Pardew's frustrations with HBA, but his composure in possession and audacity were huge assets. Sometimes his decision-making is absurd and there's no doubt that he was at his best playing as the extra man in a 11v10 game. No matter, he flayed Kieran Richardson alive. Every time, Richardson knew what was coming, but he still couldn't stop it. Breathtaking to watch.

If anything, Santon is a weaker link; as much as I love his class he's still young and learning his position. Right now, his confidence looks low. Raylor at left back and Simpson on the right is what helped NUFC start the season so well-both are better-versed in positional play. Williamson, bless him, has become a goal-a-game man: for the opposition. Nothing much can be done about that; he does more right than wrong but opponents target him and the failings of those around him (those who can do better but are currently falling short) don't give him as much protection as he deserves. His aerial presence at the end helped unsettle the mackems, which shouldn't be overlooked. A shame he didn't leave the ball for whoever was behind him at the last, otherwise I think a winner would have come.

Again we got the twin problem of the strikers failing to hold the ball up and receiving dismal service for too much of the game. Events mostly passed Cisse by, although just after half time the reversion of NUFC to passing football allowed him to show hints of quality. Cabaye is all at sea; even in the second half Tiote was mostly playmaker, usually with dire results. That proves a failing system.

I thought sunderland were certain to go 2-0 up before Krul realised that marvellous double save; then I wondered to myself "turning point?" In hindsight, I'm not sure NUFC would have scored had Sessegnon not been such a fool-he got himself sent off just as he was beginning to find more space too. Tiote would do well to think about how playacting rebounds though-Joey Barton discovered as much against Norwich and Cheick plays so much of the game at the outer reaches of the rules. Sooner rather than later he might be the one walking for a flash of wildness.

Once Bendtner and Larsson went off, I felt sunderland were really hanging on-I didn't fancy Campbell to lead their line. Still, the majority of NUFC's second half chances only came from set-pieces or HBA. NUFC's formation had dissolved but at least Shola was on, again showing his qualities as a target man and urging on his teammates.

When I realised Ba was to take the penalty I felt there were worrying parallels to 2000-a prolific striker having on off day called to save the day late on. After Mignolet's save I thought that sunderland had done enough, but Shola and HBA led the team on and then came relief-a good finish by the King of Arthur's Hill.

Much as I would have loved a win, three points might have papered over the cracks. I think the players' reaction to the equaliser reflected the sheer relief of a team that is wobbling. Enough talent is there to stop the wobble, but only if deployed properly. Rather than being distracted by the fleeting glory of the Man U game, Newcastle need to get back to the consistency that gave them such a great start and if nearly losing at home to the Eternal Enemy doesn't wake people up, I don't think anything will.

tigerdave · Mar 8, 2012

Love it, mostly. Still think Dean, for all he did right, got a couple of decisions horribly wrong. Other than that and the Simpson/Santon debate, your pal nailed it.

Russell1892 · Mar 8, 2012

http://www.readytogo.net/archives/002355.html#ixzz1oSkfpiE9

Jesus....

MagpieFan · Mar 8, 2012

Re: Let's All Laugh At Sunderland v3.0 (now including Spurs as a special bonus!)

So wait... the cats are dogs now? That was kind of pathetically confusing to read.

tigerdave · Mar 8, 2012

Re: Let's All Laugh At Sunderland v3.0 (now including Spurs as a special bonus!)

MagpieFan said: ↑

So wait... the cats are dogs now? That was kind of pathetically confusing to read.

The fact that blowing two points against us ostensibly is viewed as a positive turning point in their recent history says it all, really.

JayRockers! · Mar 8, 2012

Re: Let's All Laugh At Sunderland v3.0 (now including Spurs as a special bonus!)

tigerdave said: ↑

The fact that blowing two points against us ostensibly is viewed as a positive turning point in their recent history says it all, really.

If I was a mackem, dropping a game at the death surely would make me forget the 5-1 debacle from last season.

Thx,

Jay!

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