Petraeus Resigns

Discussion in 'Politics & Current Events' started by Minnman, Nov 9, 2012.

  1. Cascarino's Pizzeria

    Apr 29, 2001
    New Jersey, USA
    She's got plenty of balls, I'll give her that. A non-author who decides to track down the most famous US general to write an adoring biography. Not your usual happy housewife move. She's got gumption this one!
     
  2. LongDuckDong

    LongDuckDong Member+

    Jan 26, 2011
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    Mo money, mo problemz
     
  3. Barbara

    Barbara BigSoccer Supporter

    Apr 29, 2000
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    She's fiesty.
     
  4. Golazo

    Golazo Member+

    Apr 15, 1999
    Decatur, GA USA
    Sure. But then so are Gennifer Flowers, Calista Gingrich, Reille Hunter, this Kelley woman -- maybe, the poor kid who got murdered while having an affair with that California congressman, whoever that was that boned Jack Welch (ewwwwwwwww) after writing a book about him, Anthony Weiner's various mistresses, Lord only knows how many of JFK's conquests, and so on and so on.

    It's not that far out there to say that there is a not minuscule proportion of women who are willing to offer themselves up, and maybe pursue, powerful men to the detriment of their own families and that of their targets.

    Whether a a society and its politics care (ours) or not (France gets ONE thing right) is only slightly less important than whether security was somehow compromised.
     
  5. LongDuckDong

    LongDuckDong Member+

    Jan 26, 2011
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    I agree that these men shouldn't be surprised when they marry "socialites." These women are essentially professional high school girls.
     
  6. Cascarino's Pizzeria

    Apr 29, 2001
    New Jersey, USA
    They're fighting over the HS quarterback. "B*tch - don't you even look at my man at that Veterans Day celebration on the army base!"
     
  7. Dr. Wankler

    Dr. Wankler Member+

    May 2, 2001
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    I finally learned this when I was in my early 20s (not being powerful or rich put me behind the curve on this one) and reports started coming out that the guy on the right, John Tower (R-Texas) had multiple mistresses...

    [​IMG]
     
  8. Barbara

    Barbara BigSoccer Supporter

    Apr 29, 2000
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    Ew, nasty.
     
  9. LongDuckDong

    LongDuckDong Member+

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    You know who's fault it is? ********ing Disney. Disney has spent the last 6 decades telling girls that it's their jobs to be a princess and marry a prince.

    Gender roles are learned, they're not instinctive. Study after study has indicated that when young girls are given "male" toys and taught to identify with male characters in childrens movies, they adopt male gender roles. They become independent. They strive to become scientists, lawyers, and doctors rather than housewives.

    Girls aren't naturally attracted to power or the ideal of a socialite. They're told they should be attracted to power in the TV shows they watch, in the movies they see, and by the toys their parents give them.

    Yet men continue to reinforce these gender roles, and we continue to believe that the ideal women is a "socialite" or a housewife.
     
  10. Barbara

    Barbara BigSoccer Supporter

    Apr 29, 2000
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    No offense, but you really have no idea what you're talking about.

    Women are naturally attracted to men who will take of them, and by extension, their babies. Powerful and wealthy men are attractive for that reason. So are big manly men who can fend off bears and chop wood to keep them warm in the winter.

    Fortunately for you regular schlubs, there are relatively few such men to go around and at least some women (me, for instance) are repelled by the personalities of most rich and powerful men.
     
  11. minerva

    minerva Member+

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  12. THOMA GOL

    THOMA GOL BigSoccer Supporter

    Jul 16, 1999
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    At this stage of the this mess, I'm just waiting for breaking news of a sex tape floating around.
     
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  13. LongDuckDong

    LongDuckDong Member+

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    This is actually not true. Have you ever heard of social learning theory? (wikipedia)

    Basically, some aspects of gender roles are learned, and some are biological. Men are biologically and genetically more aggressive than females. Men are biologically larger and stronger than females. Men and women are both sexually attracted to certain physical ideals.

    However much of the social behavior we witness is, in fact, learned. The idea that it's a women's job to raise the children and a man's jobs to take care of the women (in modern times by earning money) is false. Studies have shown that families in which the father plays an active role in parenting raise more intelligent and successful children. Where the father figure is absent, children perform worse in school, social situations, and work.

    And indeed, if we look at some of the few remaining tribal cultures on the planet, men and women tend to share domestic duties (roughly 60-40). The "domesticated women" is a phenomenon that really took off with the rapid expansion of agricultural society. The gender division of labor made logical sense in a society in which 75% of workers were farmers. Working the farm required dozens of children. Rearing so many children resulted in the domestication of women.

    However in modern times with birth control and 2.5 kids per family, domesticated women are a waste of space.

    EDIT: PM me if you want to continue the conversation, this is off topic
     
  14. superdave

    superdave Member+

    Jul 14, 1999
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    Wait a second. She wrote a dissertation. For your typical tenure-track historian, you write your master's thesis, which turns out to be one section of your dissertation, which forms the core of your first book. So I don't see anything strange here.
     
  15. chaski

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    Mar 20, 2000
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    The story gets wierder

    http://www.nypost.com/p/news/national/battle_john_allen_also_helped_jill_YjkEYUNY2INC4smBMEYqUI
    Both Gen. David Petraeus and Gen. John Allen intervened in the same nasty child custody battle involving Natalie Khawam, the “psychologically unstable” twin sister of Jill Kelley, whose bombshell claims of being threatened by Petraeus' lover led to the top spy’s resignation last week, the Post has learned.
    . . .
    Both Petraeus and Allen apparently decided intervene in the same nasty court fight over a four year old, siding with the mother who, according to court documents, took her son to Florida when he was four months old after a heated argument.
    The generals' letters to the court — written in the past two months — supported a motion to overturn a ruling made nearly a year earlier by a judge who resoundingly denied custody to Khawam, because of serious reservations about her honesty and mental stability, court records show.
     
  16. Deep Wilcox

    Deep Wilcox BigSoccer Supporter

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    Seriously. Don't these 4 star Generals and CIA Chiefs have stuff to do? Writing letters to the court about 4 year olds? This story is stranger than fiction.
     
  17. Barbara

    Barbara BigSoccer Supporter

    Apr 29, 2000
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    I don't especially want to continue this topic at all except to say that your statement that "domesticated women are a waste of space" is offensive on several levels.

    You should really be more careful about throwing around gross generalizations and talking about women like they're cattle.
     
  18. bigredfutbol

    bigredfutbol Moderator
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    Sep 5, 2000
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    You're completely wrong. The gender division you're talking about actually came about in reaction to the rise of industrialism, as household work became devalued and the rise of the "cult of domesticity" codified a separate domestic sphere for women.

    First--women are not "domesticated"; livestock are.

    Secondly--there are real benefits and perks to having one parent home with the kids and able to maintain a household, even after they are off to school. Being free to pick up sick kids, not having to worry about getting off in time to pick them up from daycare, not having daycare expenses (REALLY good daycare is not cheap), being able to take kids to after-school and weekend activities (or do you think all working mothers work 8-5 Monday-Friday? I got news for you)--these are all real, substantive quality of life factors. If one spouse is able to support the entire family financially, that frees the other spouse up to focus on a lot more than "housework.
     
  19. Deep Wilcox

    Deep Wilcox BigSoccer Supporter

    Jun 5, 2007
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    Did "he" and another 4 star general also send letters of support to various court proceedings on behalf of the kids of sisters of these "scores of bad apples"? There is more to this story than just a general fooling around. It is very odd.
     
  20. M

    M Member+

    Feb 18, 2000
    Via Ventisette
    Perhaps not if they were both having affairs with the mother's twin sister.
     
  21. Boloni86

    Boloni86 Member+

    Jun 7, 2000
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    So I've been having trouble casting this movie. So far I have Tom Cruise as Petraeus. Kim Kardasian as Jill Kelley. Mel Gibson as the shirtless FBI agent. And Paul Giamatti in a wig as Holly Petraeus.

    I'm stumped on who to cast as Broadwell though.
     
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  22. cleansheetbsc

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    Since Benny Hill is dead, a good choice.
     
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  23. That Phat Hat

    That Phat Hat Member+

    Nov 14, 2002
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    I was thinking more like Jack McBrayer aka Kenneth the Page aka White Jindal:
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