Petke Losing Patience

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  1. tigersoccer2005 Member

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    http://www.mlssoccer.com/news/artic...ke-questions-if-new-york-red-bulls-want-be-po

    Best quote of the entire article:


    I don't want to sound like a broken record--but it's hard to be a possession team when your midfield is suspect. Offensively there is no punch because there is no connection from the midfield to the forwards.This team has been missing a CAM for years and still management is clueless....On the defensive side of the ball we are leaking goals. It's a perfect storm.

    I think Petke's quote is a bit hotheaded--would he truly turn this team into a boring long ball team if it meant more wins? It might be more efficient but i reckon it would mean a loss of a huge section of the audience who wouldn't be interested in seeing that type of soccer.
          
  2. iced1776 Member

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    Lookin at you Thierry
  3. JD75 Member

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    I'm losing patience with Petke. Outscored 4-0 in the 2nd half in 2 games? That's coaching. That's called one team making adjustments and the other not responding with counter adjustments.
  4. bmo180 Member

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    Cant be much more boring than the way we played the first 2 games
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  5. iced1776 Member

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    I love it, two games in and several people here already want to run Petke out of town.

    Remember those glorious, reasonable preseason days where everybody was excited about the chance of long term stability, but warned that we need to be patient while the team gels? That includes the coach guys, he's literally never done this job before and there are going to be a few bumps along the road. Throw in the fact that he's one of the hardest opening schedules in the league, I can't believe people are already throwing him under the bus.
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  6. GMangs Member+

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    I think most people just don't want to hear BS excuses, travel, schedule, and so on.
  7. iced1776 Member

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    Not every excuse is bullshit, Red Bulls have an incredibly tough schedule and a brand new roster under a rookie manager. How is it rational to expect them to hit the ground running on all cylinders? That's the exact mindset that leads to having the roster and management blown up year after year.
  8. Metrosuccess Member

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    This team is out of shape and not in gfood condition f rom what I have seen in second halves...
  9. tigersoccer2005 Member

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    Just to be clear I am not advocating for Petke to be run out of town. It's way too early for that and I always knew going in that we would most likely experience growing pains this year as his rookie coaching year. I think what has shocked most fans is to see the team meltdown spectacularly in two consecutive games. It seems that Petke is approaching the first of what will be many challenges of his first coaching year. He's got to find a way to get the team out of this funk before it spirals out of control. The question is what will he do? Right now it seems like if things continue the way they are he will not hesitate to clean house. I'm not sure if him swinging the hammer is what is called for here--but at least we know he is a man of action.
  10. kokoplus10 Moderator

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    We have to stick with Petke even if the first few months blow absolute donkey balls.

    Otherwise it's back to square one...again.
  11. cleansheetbsc Member+

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    I won't say that it has been a team meltdown for both games. Game 1, yes. Game 2, wasn't a bad match considering the opponent, location etc. It was a meltdown on one player. A repeat offender at that. This one is on the manager to fix going forward.
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  12. dwsmith1972 BigSoccer Supporter

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    I think it would be the sort of foolish and impulsive (and Abramovichian) shortsightedness to even consider dispatching Petke. The games were frustrating and painful and resulted from a number of things, among them, in all likelihood, things for which Petke bears some responsibility.

    Roy Miller screwed up colossally. A major meltdown, no doubt. But Cahill shares some responsibility for the first goal as well, and prior to that there was a momentum shift which the RB couldn't seem to reverse and some of that is on coaching and other players as well. Alexander get's credit for the goal, but could've potentially put the game away by simply squaring the ball to two open players just inside the 18yd box instead of taking that slicing shot. (just one example).

    But even when/if Petke make's tactical mistakes or personnel mistakes, as he is most certain to, all coaches do and most of the good ones learn and evolve and grow. And in the grand scheme of things, even if he were some sort of tactical rube (and there is no evidence to suggest that he is), we need the attitude, passion and commitment he brings organization wide, with some measure of stability. Kreis had a losing record in his first season. Arena's results with the NYRB were underwhelming and his first less than half season in LA was not great. Ben Olsen's first year was a losing season and the team missed the playoffs. While each of those situations were different, I wouldn't mind any of those guys as our coach and each needed some time to turn things around.
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  13. theENFORCER Member

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    Lol, If petke wants a possession team he wouldn't play Steele and Alexander on the flanks.. Those are the type of plays you play when you want to hammer the ball 60-70 yards.

    I'm not calling for Petke's head but the first two games are on him. Both were horrible lineup selections with players playing out of position. Then there's Roy Miller who everyone by now knows not to touch with a 50 foot pole..
    My complaints:
    -Cahill shouldn't be used as a deep midfielder!! THAT's NOT HIS POSITION.. Place him up front and watch him excel
    -Roy Miller.. no explanation needed
    -Side midfielders selection has been poor this year. Placing Espindola as a RM/RW would give our offense some needed spark and he would terrorize that side of the field. Lade should be used at LM and he should have started this past sunday, his pace, aggression and work rate would have gave us a boost in the midfield. It's no surprise our offense has no possession. Johnny Steele and Eric Alexander don't provide any depth what so ever, both aren't speedy/pacey players and both are defensive minded players. It's no different than how we were playing last year with Tainio and Dax on the flanks..

    Try this lineup Petke and I guarantee you'll get your first win:
    ------Henry--Cahill
    Lade--Dax(DM)--Juno--Espy
    Pearce-Hulk-Olave-Barklage
    ---------Barklage


    Petke looks like a backe clone(even worst though)
  14. iced1776 Member

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    Petke hasn't had this job long enough to look like anything.
  15. RedBullFootball Member

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    Got to give the guy some time before making a statement like that.

    That said, I understand your impatience. This pathetic club just cant see to get out of its own way. These are the same guys that show up to a nor easter with a half a dozen plastic shovels. These are the brain children we are working with here.

    RB is like that fat guy who just can't seem to lose the weight. They have a slow metabolism. Tbhey can't work out because of its injur. They have no time to work out. Its a side effect of some drug they are taking.... It's always some excuse or another explaining why we have to suck.

    While we know the organization is mostly incompetent, we don't know that about Petke yet.
  16. kokoplus10 Moderator

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    Well management TRIED to completely screw us this season by signing guys without a head coach/plan in place. Then they tried to screw us more by getting another European guy.

    Luckily their hand was forced by time (and possibly Roxburgh) into hiring Petke.

    But let's not pretend this is exactly the roster Petke wanted/wants. He's inherited an underwhelming team albeit with some great individual talent.

    Fortunately for him it looks like Olave and Espindola were good pickups.

    Unfortunately for him he still has to make it all work.
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  17. dark knight Super Moderator

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    A rookie coach who has had two games and some are losing patience with him? Good grief, one of the biggest positives for me is Petke is the coach. He's not going to be perfect, but he's hopefully going to learn and have the balls to make tough decisions.
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  18. Woodrow BigSoccer Supporter

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    I just wonder if any of us could work with so many other people looking over our shoulders.
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  20. tigersoccer2005 Member

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    Absolutely shocking--what a mega screw up :eek:
    I mean doesnt Miller know that if the opposition player makes the PK the first time there is no retake? You apply the advantage rule at that point! If he misses the PK, then of course they get the retake. And if the the taker's own team encroaches then it must be retaken as well. A soccer player that doesn't know the rules?

    I mean I just dont know what to say---if I were Petke I'd be fuming right about now.....
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  21. kokoplus10 Moderator

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    Someone should check Miller's bank account for any unusually large transfers...

    He can't possibly be this inept.
  22. Woodrow BigSoccer Supporter

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    Nice!
    He got it bass-ackwards and it cost his team, yet again.

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