Peru vs Ecuador -Partido Revancha in Barcelona -Pre/Dur/Post Match Thread[R]

AL#7 · Jun 6, 2007

maestri09 said: ↑

ArRiBa_PeRu! said: ↑

It's true. Ecuador has much more to be worried about. This was their first win in 5 games--and they really didn't convince. Suarez has been working with this team for months now, playing against good opponents, and they've shown next to nothing. Meanwhile, this is only peru's 2nd game (that game vs. japan doesn't count)

Ecuador is feeling the pressure much more than Peru, and, like in recent copas america, they don't look like they'll be getting out of the group stage. And if they don't play their WC qualifiers in Quito, who knows where they're going to finish (as they're pretty much the WORST road team in south america. Yes, even worse than Chile).

yet, they claim they are favourites to win the Cup!

Broncano · Jun 6, 2007

AL#7 said: ↑

i saw the second half of the match, listen the first in ovacion, and saw the whole match of madrid...
Honestly we are better than I though we were. We got a win and a loss, but there are a good things worth mentioning. We dominated Ecua in both games, with them only scoring a couple in the last 10 minutes with a blooper of our defence. They certainly made no merits to deserve the victory, and i agree that we were not the best team of the world in Madrid nor the worst in Barcelona.

Uribe's new system with 3 at the back and two wingbacks help to maintain a solid backline, which with more training and familiarity of the players will improve. In madrid, Mudo was the Libero, but in that position he needs to talk lots more, his position and leadership is fundamental to maintain order. I dont doubt his skills, but he needs to be louder. The new system also allows some freedom to AK7 to defend all over the park, and attack, and when we are defending one on one, he is always the extra man who helps out, so he is doing a good job, and he is benefited from this system. the other stopper, Villalta apart from the penalty which came out of a misunderstanding of the backline, no la cago but neither played phenomenal. Good to be on the bench, or play when requested. I would try Vilchez who i liked yesterday, though he was better than Hidalgo, plus he has good shot strengh.

The sidebacks need to improve. just like in attack where farfan and guerrero play in the wings and create danger, we need to play in the wings and start plays from defence. Prado is not in a national team level. Galliquio is an option, didnt perform in barcelona the same as in Madrid, but for a big guy he is fast and has a gentle touch. on the left, once again Hidalgo has dissapointed me. His speed is falling, he is allrigth at setpieces, but I say Vargas plays in there, permanently now. And as for Ramos, well like i read somewhere, at least now he went to Madrid and Barcelona, while in Muni he doesnt even go to Chincha...

Bazalar in mid, the cienciano grandad, i like how he plays, calm and with precision. Yeah, like the rest of you, i agree he is too old, but he is very good at distributing the ball, and had two alrigth matches. De la Haza, who played in his position, had little time to show what he can bring to the table, although it is notorious the will and desire to perform good when you see him play. he has a good attitude. Ismodes is the new pearl of peruvian football, and in Barcelona he played better. Unless he got injured, i cannot explain why Uribe took him out. He needs to put some weight on (common problem in Peruvian football) as after being a nigthmare in the first half for the ecuador defence, Hurtado stopped him with ruthless marking, and being stronger and knowing how to use it due to his experience, he controlled him in the second half. He has a bright future. Farfan is the man, he played good in that position as behind the strikers, although maybe he needs to work a little bit on his stamina, i too noticed he become not as explosive in the second halfs as in the first half. His touch, speed, agility, ability, strengh at all still intact if not better. Herrera had little time to show his abilities.

Guerrero has improved a lot since last time, he knows how to hold the ball very well, and he come out victorious in many clashes with the tall ecuadorian defence. I think with Pizarro and everything, he should be in the starting eleven. Impressed me, a constant danger. As for Mendoza , well looking at the positive, maybe Uribe is now 100% decided that based on his perfomance, he should not be called anymore. Out of the like 7 chances he had on both matches added up, Pizarro would have gotten at least 3. Hell even Zuniga would have gotten 1. If anything, Jimenez should take his spot for the copa.

The defence needs improving, the mid needs a creator, and the offence is OK. With Solano we can improve the midsection, as long Juvenal and the rest learnt to accept they are a mediocre group, and that the sele is OF Peru and not of the commision. Pizarro would certainly improve the striker department, he cant do worse than Mendoza, Marino could fight with Ismodes for a spot in midfield, while Cruzado and Bazalar the same in DM section. Rengifo didnt do much, and Vigil should be in the squad and Cespedes instead of Ramos.

Excellent analysis, causita.

Guayaquileño · Jun 6, 2007

Re: Peru vs Ecuador -Partido Revancha in Barcelona -Pre Match [R]

Guti™ said: ↑

I guess your country's press is really... ummmm classy.. professional? I don't think that arrogance should be present.. It did take 8 years to beat Ecuador again.. and you guys did play a good game... I give you that.. I understand the happiness in beating a team after 8 years.. but this sore way is not cool dudes... But whatever... now lets look.

Todays second game.... Ecuador defeats peru not 1-0, not 2-1.......but 2-0 .

Guti™ · Jun 7, 2007

Re: Peru vs Ecuador -Partido Revancha in Barcelona -Pre Match [R]

Guayaquileño said: ↑

I guess your country's press is really... ummmm classy.. professional? I don't think that arrogance should be present.. It did take 8 years to beat Ecuador again.. and you guys did play a good game... I give you that.. I understand the happiness in beating a team after 8 years.. but this sore way is not cool dudes... But whatever... now lets look.

This was already explained a few pages ago.

LIBERO is yellow press.

They are a joke of a newspaper.

Todays second game.... Ecuador defeats peru not 1-0, not 2-1.......but 2-0 .

We don't need your trolling here. Take it somewhere else.

betto · Jun 7, 2007

Broncano said: ↑

Repito, Ecuador tiene que estar mucho mas preocupado que nosotros. Aparte de los pelotazos y defensas troncos que meten patada a todo lo que se mueve ese equipo no ha mostrado absolutamente nada.

And We are!
Suarez keeps on trying to find the right pieces in our defensive line. Also our midfield is a mess right now. All we have are good strikers, but with no one giving good passes it is hard for them to create good chances.
Hopefully both teams get to CA is good shape.

Peruvian_6663 · Jun 7, 2007

Re: Peru vs Ecuador -Partido Revancha in Barcelona -Pre Match [R]

Guayaquileño said: ↑

I guess your country's press is really... ummmm classy.. professional? I don't think that arrogance should be present.. It did take 8 years to beat Ecuador again.. and you guys did play a good game... I give you that.. I understand the happiness in beating a team after 8 years.. but this sore way is not cool dudes... But whatever... now lets look.

Todays second game.... Ecuador defeats peru not 1-0, not 2-1.......but 2-0 .

we have been to more world cup, won more copa americas, and we havent beating u guys more than u beaten us. so go ******** ur self until u win something, or become a runner up at least

Dominican Lou · Jun 7, 2007

crismerz09 said: ↑

And great, I somewhat followed the game but I am truly amazed at how racists some of these posters are...I mean really, if I heard someone on the German or Ec thread like that, I would shut him up immediatly, but here, it's your thread so I just kept out for most of it the insults guided towards the Ecuadorian people - big deal, you know? In reality, I don't take it personally, but if I where Peruvian, I would definetly be embarressed to hear my people talk like that about a brother country. The level of rudeness is very uninviting...really I have only encountered that in Mexican forums like this - most others are great and awseome discussions are developed.

I want to clarify a few points:

-That "mono" moniker that we use for Ecuadorians originally had no racial connotations. As far as I know, it began after the war in the 40s when the Ecuadorian soldiers (who I'm assuming were mostly mestizo/indio) hid in trees and shot down at the Peruvians. In Peru today it's used as an insult to ALL Ecuadorians, no matter what color.

-BUT, it'd be naive and unrealistic to pretend that it's completely non-racial. A lot of our younger/stupider/more ignorant posters very clearly use it to insult Ecuador's black players. I agree, it's very wrong and it should be never be tolerated or passed off as "just part of the game."

So yeah, Peru is incredibly racist towards blacks BUT, the "mono" thing didn't begin with racist intentions.

Dominican Lou · Jun 7, 2007

Broncano said: ↑

En realidad, ni lo uno ni lo otro.

Ni eramos la cagada cuando ganamos el Domingo
Ni somos una desgracia cuando perdimos hoy.

Peru no ha jugado mal, el tema defensivo esta casi en un 80% listo. Un gol de corner es algo que puede suceder y el segundo se produjo porque el equipo estaba volcado en cancha de Ecuador.

El problema como siempre ha sido la definicion y paso casi totalmente por la brujeria que tiene encima Mendoza. Lo importante es que las ocasiones de gol se crearon y por montones. Lo malo fue que casi todas fueron para Mendoza. Malingas o Claudio hubieran mojado en esas circunstancias de todas maneras.

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Pucha, yo no creo en la sobrenatural para nada pero esto de Mendoza me hace pensar...

En el partido del Monumental en las eliminatorias del 2002 se perdio un CULO de goles. Me acuerdo que cuando re-transmitieron el partido por Univision el tio Norberto Longo dijo "Noooo, si dios no esta con Ecuador hoy no creo en nadie!" despues de una mendozada.

Todos sabemos lo que paso en el 2005.

Y ahora este partido... Esto ya no da colera ni pena, mas bien curiosidad. Que CHUCHA le pasa a ese huevon?

condor11 · Jun 7, 2007

Guti™ said: ↑

I have a feeling, I dont know why, but I have a feeling that Zorrito will be called up for la Copa. He would be great as a 4th striker, plus he has a lot of chemistry with Farfan and Guerrero.

Sera la sorpresa de la convocatoria.

Aqui mismo lo firmo.

creo que si Uribe lo tenia en sus planes lo hubiese llamado para estos dos partidos

me parece que aparte de los 3 obvios, los otros dos delanteros van a ser de la liga peruana

condor11 · Jun 7, 2007

Broncano said: ↑

El problema como siempre ha sido la definicion y paso casi totalmente por la brujeria que tiene encima Mendoza. Lo importante es que las ocasiones de gol se crearon y por montones. Lo malo fue que casi todas fueron para Mendoza. Malingas o Claudio hubieran mojado en esas circunstancias de todas maneras.

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no se..Claudio ta medio salado con la sele tambien...no tanto como Andle pero tampoco es un matador en el area con nosotros

condor11 · Jun 7, 2007

AL#7 said: ↑

Pizarro would certainly improve the striker department, he cant do worse than Mendoza.

Claudio will improve the attack no doubt, he needs to be where Andle was...but actually get them in..hopefully his goal curse isnt as bad as Mendoza's

condor11 · Jun 7, 2007

Dominican Lou said: ↑

Pucha, yo no creo en la sobrenatural para nada pero esto de Mendoza me hace pensar...

En el partido del Monumental en las eliminatorias del 2002 se perdio un CULO de goles. Me acuerdo que cuando re-transmitieron el partido por Univision el tio Norberto Longo dijo "Noooo, si dios no esta con Ecuador hoy no creo en nadie!" despues de una mendozada.

Todos sabemos lo que paso en el 2005.

Y ahora este partido... Esto ya no da colera ni pena, mas bien curiosidad. Que CHUCHA le pasa a ese huevon?

quien sabe...como has dicho es casi inexplicable, su manera de fallar ante Ecuador

creo que el metio gol en el ultimo triunfo peruano ante ellos en el 99...claudio metio el otro gol, ganamos 2-1(creo)

los habran embrujado esa noche?

condor11 · Jun 7, 2007

so who do you guys reckon should partner AK7 and Mudo?

Villalta, Galliquio o Vilchez?

condor11 · Jun 7, 2007

maestri09 said: ↑

Dije.

Peru no gana dos partidos consecutivos. Hace años que no ganan así.

solo vi desde el minuto '65. no me preocupa tanto este partido. Perdieron ya cuando se terminaba el partido. Hubiera sido peor si Ecuador fuera mejor que peru en la cancha, pero no fue asi. La unica conclusion que queda es que se necesita mejores volantes. Farfan tiene que jugar como delantero; vargas tiene que ser titular; y alguien tiene que tomar control del medio-campo. Mendoza no me preocupa. El no tuvo la culpa en esta derrota--pero Forsyth si cometió un error en el ultimo gol.

que tan malo fue el error del gringo?

condor11 · Jun 7, 2007

the ratings

Libero gave the guys

PERU (0): Forsyth (4), Villalta (4), Galliquio (4), Acasiete (5), Vilchez (4), Bazalar (4) (De la Haza (4)), Prado (3), Ísmodes (5) (Herrera (5)), Mendoza (5) (Rengifo (4)), Farfán (4) y Guerrero (4)

http://www.libero.com.pe/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=25878&Itemid=86

la republica gave them

PERU (0): Forsyth (5), Villalta (5), Galliquio (5), Acasiete (5), Vilchez (4), Bazalar (5) (De la Haza (4)), Prado (4), Ísmodes (5) (Herrera (4)), Mendoza (4) (Rengifo (4)), Farfán (6) y Guerrero (5)

http://www.larepublica.com.pe/content/view/160723/472/

couldnt find anymore..didnt look hard

Broncano · Jun 7, 2007

condor11 said: ↑

the ratings

Libero gave the guys

PERU (0): Forsyth (4), Villalta (4), Galliquio (4), Acasiete (5), Vilchez (4), Bazalar (4) (De la Haza (4)), Prado (3), Ísmodes (5) (Herrera (5)), Mendoza (5) (Rengifo (4)), Farfán (4) y Guerrero (4)

http://www.libero.com.pe/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=25878&Itemid=86

la republica gave them

PERU (0): Forsyth (5), Villalta (5), Galliquio (5), Acasiete (5), Vilchez (4), Bazalar (5) (De la Haza (4)), Prado (4), Ísmodes (5) (Herrera (4)), Mendoza (4) (Rengifo (4)), Farfán (6) y Guerrero (5)

http://www.larepublica.com.pe/content/view/160723/472/

couldnt find anymore..didnt look hard

Que tales resultaditas esos mediocres.
Por 80 minutos jugamos buen partido, como le va a dar 4 a Forsyth?
Que tales miserables Libero, verguenza del Peru

locotl · Jun 7, 2007

condor11 said: ↑

the ratings

Libero gave the guys

PERU (0): Forsyth (4), Villalta (4), Galliquio (4), Acasiete (5), Vilchez (4), Bazalar (4) (De la Haza (4)), Prado (3), Ísmodes (5) (Herrera (5)), Mendoza (5) (Rengifo (4)), Farfán (4) y Guerrero (4)

http://www.libero.com.pe/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=25878&Itemid=86

la republica gave them

PERU (0): Forsyth (5), Villalta (5), Galliquio (5), Acasiete (5), Vilchez (4), Bazalar (5) (De la Haza (4)), Prado (4), Ísmodes (5) (Herrera (4)), Mendoza (4) (Rengifo (4)), Farfán (6) y Guerrero (5)

http://www.larepublica.com.pe/content/view/160723/472/

couldnt find anymore..didnt look hard

libero esta fumado.....
I saw the last 30 min of the game on ESPNDeportes and they kept on praising the Peru Defense, and putting down "come gato" Mendoza. Saw the 2 goals, the first one like always from a set piece play and the second one Villalta needs some SERIOUS psychological help. We are losing 1-0 and the opposing player is within distance and he just WALKS, giving up without putting up a fight.....pecho frio de m1erda.
Uribe actually coached both games well, and he actually tried several players (unlike Ecuador who didn't really made a lot of subs throughout both games) and thats when Peru's performance declined. But that 3-5-2 with only 1 "recuperador" like Bazalar is suicide against a stronger opponent that actually has offensive ideas. Like I said before Mendoza is just like Waldir Saenz in the early 90s (where he was always the leading scorer in the league and drastically su(ked in the NT) and should retire from the NT.
Overall I liked how Peru played, Farfan is actually playing pretty good (with a lot of courage-something that I've always critized him of) winning balls in the midfield (like Condor said). Guerrero is what every Peruvian player should be like (reminds me of a "Patron" Velasquez) when they wear the bicolor.
We definately need Solano back, and now that he has helped Pizarro with his Chelsea contract, I guess he (Pizarro) will push for his new "buddy" to be on the NT. Hopefully the chemistry that this team has developed will not be broken with the new additions.

condor11 · Jun 7, 2007

Broncano said: ↑

Que tales resultaditas esos mediocres.
Por 80 minutos jugamos buen partido, como le va a dar 4 a Forsyth?
Que tales miserables Libero, verguenza del Peru

esa es su formula parece...

perdemos casi todos 4

ganamos casi todos 6 o 7

seria interesante si algun periodico hiciera un analysis verdadero del rendimiento de los jugadores

en ves de ponerles simplemente unos numeros

condor11 · Jun 7, 2007

locotl said: ↑

We definately need Solano back, and now that he has helped Pizarro with his Chelsea contract, I guess he (Pizarro) will push for his new "buddy" to be on the NT. Hopefully the chemistry that this team has developed will not be broken with the new additions.

Solano creativity and passing accuracy is what we lack

Visca... · Jun 7, 2007

Broncano said: ↑

Farfan se canso en el 2do tiempo igual que en Madrid y desaparecio

This shows that Farfan as an offensive mid/winger nos cuesta caro.

Visca... · Jun 7, 2007

NolbertoS said: ↑

A que ver como Peru juega en la Copa America, espero que Mendoza nunca regrese a la sele. Seria, criminal ponerle en le sele, parece "Balan" Gonsalez, Mendoza, falla y malo como delantero peruano, que se quede en Ucrania, nomas, espero que termino su ciclo en la seleccion.

Balan >>>>>> Andle

lejos

Guti™ · Jun 7, 2007

condor11 said: ↑

que tan malo fue el error del gringo?

No se de que error habla porque en el segundo gol de Ecuador la parte izquierda de su defensa claramente lo vendio al Gringo. De la Cruz se paseo como Juan se pasea por su casa por ese lado, tanto asi que Villalta solo lo quedo mirando como batia al Gringo.

ecuafutbolfreak · Jun 7, 2007

Caturro said: ↑

Peru plays infinitely better than Ecuador. Not impressed by what Ecuador is showing right now... that's very good news for us.

And holy crap, you guys gotta get Mendoza out.:

hey we won, and u lost to COsta RIca who we beat last WC2006 3-0, so if would be shittin in my pants if i was a damn Chilean! thank God I am not. Oh yeah, congrats on beating an amatuer side 1-0!

Visca... · Jun 7, 2007

can we get a sock check on "ArRiBa_PeRu!"?

I bet it's cacho or some other degenerado.

Visca... · Jun 7, 2007

JacopeX said: ↑

Y ese Mendoza falla como el pavo que es. Mas burro los faltas que veo en el Highlights. Que le quita la camiseta para siempre oye!

Andle "come gato" Mendoza deberia estar preso por esas fallas horrorosas.

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