Penn State scandal, JoePa and the football/college town complex

Yea, your location has nothing to do with you being so hyper about about Joe being morally bankrupt.

 

I thought Stranger was and is being ridiculous in criticism of JoePa. Morally bankrupt? A man who for 50 - 60 years has been put on a pedestal for living life the rightway and getting others to do it as well? Suddenly he doesn't have a leg to stand on and doesn't have any benefit of the doubt? That's ridiculous.

I mention location, because he lives in Columbus, Ohio.

The question of if Joe did or did not do the right thing is extremely complex in this case. Especially since we don't have all the facts.

 

to be honest, i fully expect that the more facts that come out, the worse it will appear for everyone. I don't even give the players a free ride - if guys like McDuffie knew of rumors, then even they should feel guilty about not asking questions. They were adults, not kids. Everyone that let it slide bears some of the guilt.

 

If I'm informed of that, I see it through.

He was informed.

He was 5 days ago

He is today

 

Hey, I'm fine with this. I just want people - especially the media - to wait for this facts to come out, before they attack.

 

This isn't difficult unless you wear blue and white. I don't give a sh*t how long he coached. Every kid that was abused after mcquery told him of the incident is on him.

 

Little kids, appoo. Little, young pre-pubescent kids. That trumps everything so before you go throwing stones about other people's biases, you should take a really close look at your own.

I don't give a flying ******** about college football* so I have no bias whatsoever and I think these people are pond scum for refusing to deal with what was going on.






*Although I was pretty tickled about the LSU-Alabama game last weekend.

 

I agree, the people who shoved this aside and refused to do this are the worst sort of human beings. All for the reason you said - this is about children. Justice for those children are my first concern - and that included getting rid and throwing into jail every single person that enabled Sandusky into hurting those children. If it turns out that includes Joe Paterno, then so be it.

However, I don't think that includes Joe Paterno. That man is one of the few great people in this country, and for 60 years has led a life that was to be looked up to - he set the example. So I thought of him as a bit of a hero and a role model, and I see the media absolely destroying him. All the major media outlets have called him a fake, and that his legacy destroyed. They've called for his head - and it was all done without facts to support them. You don't think that this should upset me?

 

I don't want the University to coddle Joe. I also don't think he should step aside. I think the media needs to stop attacking when they don't have facts. I want them to be objective and WAIT for the facts to come out, WAIT for proof that Joe never followed up, and knowingly allowed someone he believed to be a child molester to walk the streets of State College and Penn State.

 

I'm sorry, but that just doesn't fly. These are CHILDREN. No matter how much you like the man...if you have proof that he's a child molester, you goto the authorities No questions asked.

 

Once upon a time, we Penn Staters could look down upon Bobby Bowden's "Free Shoe U".

Now we'll be known as "Pedophile State U."

 

Thing us, Schultz didn't report this to his detectives, never filed a report. Probably under orders from Curley and maybe even the President. I mean, I understand hearsay....but they didn't even attempt to locate the boy and they never even talked to Jerry Sandusky! They didn't even have a detective follow up with Mike McQuery, the eye witness.

My opinion based on Grand Jury testimony is that the PSU brass covered it all up by refusing to investigate it, or even file a report of criminal activity involving a child - which is a law in Pennsylvania.

 

Beat Nebraska? Actually, after that misstep, I think his statement is good.


http://www.collegian.psu.edu/asset.aspx?id=4918

 

Anyone else think the DA might have been delaying the indictment until after Joe broke Eddie Robinson's win record?

 

You hear about the record occasionally on ESPN and such, but no. I think most pundits these days put Coach Robinson's achievements on a shelf somewhere, like a Lifetime Achievement Award. IMO, Paterno would have been regarded as the greatest winner regardless because a lot of people watch B(C)S football. They paid attention to Coach Robinson for so long because of the quality of the program back when players were regularly going to the NFL. Once the SEC got that talent, Coach Robinson was pretty much forgotten.

 

It's the State Attorney General, so no. They didn't do the Grand Jury testimony until January of this year. So it probably took them awhile to compile all the evidence.

 

We may have a friend in common... Rod Taylor?

 

I remember him (as does about anyone who was there those years), but I'm sure he wouldn't remember me. Helluva musician.

 

lol so true. There are some real classics around here from Damon.

 

The man coached football ffs.

Ahh, the smell of apologism already. I enjoyed this argument when Barry Bonds' fans made it too.

 

I'm with Appoo on this; and I have actually been around the exposure and resolution of an abuse situation-- one which only involved adults, but involved power relationships-- as it came to the surface; and I had the chance to observe how irrationally almost everybody behaves, and how slowly the truth emerges from the illusions and the lies.

People jump to judge long before the whole story is exposed-- and those judgements are shaped by the biases of the judgers and in turn obscure the realities.

At my own job if an actionable situation or incident comes to my attention, I am charged to report it to my immediate superior, and the HR chief at our location, and a third party at the home office. This report is to be dicumented, not verbal. Then I am expected to butt out until and unless I see or hear of further episodes. If I should draw the conclusion that the initial report is not being taken seriously, I am charged to forward the documentation-- which all of us have copies of-- to another party above all of those previously mentioned.

I do not believe that we have any reason to think that Paterno was not under a similar protocol, nor any reason to believe it was not followed. And he surely has a moral responsibility to the institution to not be going off half cocked on another of their employees as well as one to any victims in the situation. Seems to me the moral man puts it in the hands of specialists and keeps quiet while they do their work.

It also seems as though there was very little in the way of plausible testimony, and there do seem to have been attempts to address what little there was. People are emphasizing that this went on for a decade or whatever-- but no one is considering that the few "surfacing" episodes being pointed to were spread out over a decade AND did not all come to the attention of the same people.

Its easy to say Paterno should have set off the sirens and screamed from the rooftops-- but as yet I don't think we are in any position to say that any such thing is true. I at least am 1700 miles away and getting my information from not always reliable sources who seem to be emotionally involved in some cases and to have axes to grind in others.

I'm pretty sure someone was too tentative in reacting to this situation, but I'm not prepared to say that I know who, and certainly not prepared to point at the most famous person in the story just because he has a reputation for godlike qualities.

I'd say "let the guys in the room sort it out and we'll see what we see when they are done"-- except of course that this is a stick for those who do not want an 84 year old man to be "their" coach to use to pry him out of the chair, so I doubt we'll ever get an honest story on it. So I'll just say "let the guys in the room sort it out and hope for the best" instead.