Penn State Scandal - Discuss...

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  1. stanger BigSoccer Supporter

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    Hello again, Mr. Crazy.

    If they "find" some thing it will be because there was something to "find".

    Most of the victims are reporting they were molested on campus. Do you understand that? The investigation is widening well beyond child molestation, indicating they have reason to think there was a cover-up by PSU administrators.

    I'm really not in the mood again so go ahead and type a five page reply that basically says nothing. I'll reply back when you are proven wrong.
          
  2. kgilbert78 Member

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    Did you read the article? All it was was a bunch of speculation about what the feds *might* be looking for. There was very little in the way of actual news. The feds aren't talking and Penn State isn't either. Nor should they be during an investigation--except to each other. But it seems innuendo and accusation passes for conviction in this day and age. I think Ms. Ganim sees this story as her ticket to a Pulitzer. It won't be.

    Me, I'll wait for the facts to come out. And BTW, that's all most Penn Staters want. Facts--not innuendo and accusation. That's why we have trials in this country. If folks did cover things up at Penn State, we'll want them prosecuted even worse than the press--or you. That's one of the main, unreported reasons why the alumni are going after the Board of Trustees, BTW: Failure to exercise proper oversight, which was their responsibility. They are supposed to ask the tough questions and they did not when told about the grand jury testimony months before the story broke.
  3. Clutz Member

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    it just gets worse and worse for penn state
  4. Bill Archer BigSoccer Supporter

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    Of the ten victims, eight reported they were molested on campus and five of those say it happened in the football facility.

    I have thought all along that the reason the board reacted as they did was not because they suddenly found all this out and decided Paterno had to go that very day.

    Rather, it has looked all along like a bunch of people covering their OWN asses. Which someone should have told them was never likely to work and, in fact, will end up making it all much much worse.
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    That possibility is one of the things that has the alumni riled. At best their actions imply a fair bit of stupidity on the part of the board--but either way they need to go.

    As far as the location of the crime is concerned, that doesn't make the school guilty of anything any more than the Texas Book Depository was guilty of the Kennedy assassination. Criminals use what they have available to them. At night, those facilities would have been quiet and fairly private, as they are away from the main part of the campus. For example, is Ohio State guilty of something by mere association with Art Schlichter, who used OSU's name and reputation to swindle millions of dollars? Or Of course not. Employees and former employees of businesses and organizations commit crimes every day, and many use their employer or employer's facilities or employer's name to do so. If you don't think that's happened here in Columbus, for example, read about the Snook case. Or the more recent Blackwell case. Of course, it's almost always a black eye for the institution involved.

    The key question is what the school leaders knew and when they knew it and what they did about it. I'm just not embued with confidence that a federal investigation will figure things out. Their track record lately hasn't been too good--they've looked like Keystone Kops in their steroid investigations to name one. Or "Fast and Furious".
  6. stanger BigSoccer Supporter

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    I'm going to break this down slowly so you can understand, mmmkay?




    Unless, of course, the people that granted Sandusky permission to use the facilities knew what was going on. That's being complicit. I believe that's why they are looking in to who knew what and when.

    Apples and oranges and you know it.

    Usually the institutions or business do not have knowledge of the criminal acts. PSU admins and coaching staff did, IMO.


    Trying to discount the results of an investigation before they come out is a classic tactic used by the guilty.

    You know how this is going to turn out.

    You should be ashamed of the logo you so forcefully defend.
  7. Clutz Member

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    At this juncture it seems to be a huge cover up on behalf of penn state.
  8. kgilbert78 Member

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    I'd purely love to see you say this to Franco Harris or Jack Ham to their face. Except that they are gentlemen.
  9. Kryptonite BigSoccer Supporter

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    Verdict in moments on your favorite cable news channel.

    At least 60 years. I heard a max of 442.

    Guilty on 45/48 counts.

    Solitary for right now.
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    The bastard should be hanged.

    They now need to start prosecuting everyone who covered this up.

    Penn State should be shut down.
  11. KCbus Moderator

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    Glad to see we waited a while to break out the hyperbole.
  12. Placid Casual Member

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    Not shocked that you were the first.

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    As the verdict came through, I turned to my wife and said, "Now we'll start finding out who in the Penn State Administration is charged with cover up."

    As a side note, that Pennsylvania A.G. is either long winded or a spotlight seeker or both. Her "comments" were way too long.
  14. KCbus Moderator

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    Funny -- I was thinking the exact same thing about you.
  15. Kryptonite BigSoccer Supporter

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    Now reporting that the judge will sentence Sandusky, probably in September.

    Sandusky now on suicide watch.

    He has a right to appeal, and one can certainly be expected. The primary point of the appeal may be that the case was rushed to trial without giving the defense time to go through everything.
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    I wish he would be put into general population in prison but he won't. Now we see what will happen with Penn State administration.
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    Penn State is probably not in nearly as much trouble as people seem to assume. Any liability they have is probably more likely to come from Schultz and Curley than from Sandusky. Employers are generally not liable for the acts of their employees except in the performance of their duties. A jury might want to punish PSU but it's not out of the question they get a pass on anything after the decision in 1998 not to prosecute Sandusky.
  19. stanger BigSoccer Supporter

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    Maybe, but what they will lose is millions in alumni donations.
  20. kgilbert78 Member

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    Maybe, maybe not. I'm still on the fence about donations myself. Hard to penalize students for what others have done, but my feelings toward the administration/BOT could be summed up in Charlton Heston's response at the end of the original "Planet of the Apes" (I'm sure there's you-tube around somewhere for you younger folks).

    As far as the trial goes, I think a Churchill quote is appropriate "...it is, perhaps, the end of the beginning".
  21. Kryptonite BigSoccer Supporter

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  22. Smithsoccer1721 Member

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  23. Nostradumass BigSoccer Supporter

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    THOMA GOL repped this.
  24. kgilbert78 Member

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    You were able to read it? The site isn't working for me--I expect they were/are overwhelmed. And we have a pretty good connection here.
  25. Nostradumass BigSoccer Supporter

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    I got on just as it was released, and read the summary (7 pages) before it crashed. I think there is a full version (~150 pages), but the site is down.

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