Underrepresented? Red Bull NEW YORK. Misrepresented, sure. They should be called the Red Bull New Jersey. If NY really wanted a team than why didn't they do something since 1996 to get a stadium built in NY rather than NJ?. If they didn't want the team in NJ than they should have found the land and money to build something in NY before they started on the new stadium in Harrison. No one is demanding that NYC get a 3rd NFL team because the Jets and Giants play in NJ, so why should they get a second MLS team on that basis? Miami is the 4th largest metro area in the U.S.(Behind NY, LA and CHI), and the largest in the Southeast. It's also the 16th largest TV market in the U.S. If MLS wants to go to a big time city, Miami is the biggest one on the market, and right now there are no MLS teams within 1000 miles in any direction. Houston and D.C. are the closest. Right now MLS is about the only thing that isn't in Miami. Countless TV shows and movies feature Miami, it's a hot destination for tourists and celebrities alike, it's the L.A. of the east coast. Putting a team here, especially with a Beckham-esque star, would get MLS big time exposure. The only real argument against Miami at this point is that there are no solid details in terms of investors, at least for 2011. But we won't know for sure until an official announcement is made. I'm gonna shut up now and just wait and see. I know there are just as many good reasons to go to Miami as any other city, so there is no need for me to try and argue for it. I will say good luck to all fans in the competing cities(except NY of course) and see you in November with my Miami 2011 shirt!
Just stop it. You have a team with 20 miles of your house. It is your media market. It is part of the New York Metropolitan area. You have a team, if you choose to support it. If you don't, your choice. Just because YOU don't support it for the reason of your choosing, does not make New York the most deserving city. As for Queens having more soccer fans than Atlanta or Miami, who knows? There is no census for this. Nearest thing would be attendance reports, which RBNY (Metro New York's team) is not doing so well at.
please direct all your misgivings about NYC2 to Fred Wilpon, not us. We don't have the money to bring a team to Queens, but he does... and he will.... good luck boys
THere is no cencus but do me a favor Walk Rosevelt avenue when South America is doing their Qualifiers Walk Fresh Pond Road when Italy is playing Woodside during a Celtic Match Walk Astoria when Greece is playing. Just minutes away in BK - see what happens in Greenpoint when Poland is playing I dont understand the Atlanta area, im not going to pretend to - im sure they are deserving as I imagine it being a diverse city. But if you saw these areas - You might see what we are talking about and why we feel this is deserving. We have talked to a lot fo these people and they love the idea of a team easily accessible being they dont have cars! Also, You know what makes NY a deserving team - the fact we have a Great Potential owner, with a plan in place - that makes us deserving as a previous poster says - it comes down to that. Oh and dont complain to us soflafan - - talk to Garber - he wants this just as much as we do. I dont get it - Im tired of the "You have a team argument" Most of us Support the RB - but they are not our first choice side (NOT A CRIME) - but when Wilpon and the League in 2007 talk about putting a team 10 minutes from the area where I grew up - im not supposed to get excited!! To me that excites me more than any of the teams that currently exist in MLS! People love to hate NY man!
pablo, I've always suspected that - and I think they will be successful - but do you really think they will be picked this round?
The league hasn't "dissed" the entire region and especially not your hometown. Infact, the only reason people still mention Miami is because the MLSFO keeps bringing it up. No one from the other big cities in the region have stepped forward to make it happen. They just need a "Dave Checketts" type to step forward and get it done. The league didn't take away anything. Ken Horowitz ran out of money. He pulled the plug, not MLS. They contracted Tampa because it was a league run team. When MLS decided to end that practice they couldn't find a new owner (Malcom Glazer is a wanker). If it weren't for Lamar Hunt, Dallas (the other league run team) would likely also have been contracted. But, Lamar being Lamar, he couldn't let that happen to the good people of his home town. So he bought the club and the rest, as they say, is history. They didn't give LA anything. Jorge Vegara bought one. Once again, the league didn't give SJ anything (there is a theme here isn't there? ). Lew Wolff and John Fisher bought them one. Money talks. I know it sucks but that's the way it is. As Clint Eastwood said in Unforgivin: "Deserves got nothin' to do with it."
As far as I can tell, the OB is tied up in litigation while the judge determines if a stadium is public benefit. If she rules it is not, the entire project dies. I think Miami will get a team - later. I know we cannot get in Garber's head, but please answer - Do you (or any one from Miami) HONESTLY think Miami will be named as 17 or 18? If yes, who will be the money man?
I dont understand this issue that the southeast deserves a team because MLS needs to be in the southeast to represent everyone? MLB survived 100 years before a single team was in the southeast (Atlanta 1966) and then another 30 before a second (Miami 1993) southeast team was added! I think MLS will do just fine expanding wherever and whenever they want to!
I've never seen a more worthless bunch of crap. Effing Duluth would build a stadium if they had an investor and MLS awarded them a team. Every time I post anything about Miami, one of you guys say - Miami's getting a team. I've asked numerous times to explain, but all of you are too gutless to name the who/how or even give your honest opinion of whether you think it will happen NOW. You Miami fans take the cake - no wonder you failed the first time. Good riddance!
This is a forum where you DISCUSS soccer. Just going around saying "Miami will get a team" but not having the balls to answer any questions is simply ridiculous. Most people say "I think we will get a team because of XYZ" or "I think we will not get a team because of XYZ" or even, "I think we will get a team eventually but not now because of XYZ" Anytime someone (not just me) gives actual reasons why Miami will not happen anytime soon, we get told bullshit like "Miami has a good chance to getting an MLS expansion " , "If a Investor group shows up and MLS award Miami with an expansion team the stadium weill be built." , "I still say you are wrong about Miami chances." But yet, you never give reasons why or who. If your just hoping, that's fine - but say so. But when you say that I'm or anyone else is "wrong" you are at least implying that you know why we are wrong. Clearly you don't. If that's the case then move on - continually saying "Miami will get a team" without any details is simply wasting board space.
What you are asking of me is akin to asking a Inter Milan Fan to support Milan because they are in the same city. Same for Lazio/Roma, Boca/River. Racing/Independiente, Real/Atletico. I'm sorry if it bothers you but I HAVE BEEN WAITING SINCE 1994 FOR THIS TEAM. The league promised NY a team along side its NJ rival and I have been waiting since then!!! YOU STOP IT. This is how little you know about NYC, NYC soccer and Queens. This shows your complete lack of knowledge regarding this area and its inhabitants or geography. If you had any clue you would know that RB and Metro before it is composed of 85% NJ residents. Also your lack of information about Queens also just completely highlights your COMPLETE IGNORANCE of NYC. You would never had made the comments you did. Now getting back to our regularly scheduled programming! NYC NYC NYC
Maybe you missed the memo, the stadium plans and funding AND the ownership group should be in place. That's why right now St Louis and Portland are smiling. St Louis has one on lock and the other publicly at 80% but I suspect privately at 100%. Portland has the other on lock and the other 70% done.
Actually, no, its not like Inter vs Milan at all. You are worried about a boundry (i.e. New York vs New Jersey) that is located all within one metropolitan area. If they then put the team on Staten Island, would you not support it because you are from Queens? How small do you want to sub-divide areas and teams? In Milan, there are supports of all different teams within Serie A, Serie B, etc. Also, there is no boundry that seperates the different teams within the city. It is, historically, based upon politics. So if you want to tell me that the Red Bull are Corporate Republicans and you are a Democrat, well, then you have more of a Inter v Milan argument. As a former New York resident, my knowledge of the area is not lacking, I can assure you. If you want to get to the RB games, it does not take a Herculean effort to get there. If you choose not to, that is fine, your choice. PS - We have all been waiting for teams since 1994 so you are not alone in that.
It is our choice and we have RB season ticket holders in our group, but for how long has the league been dangling a team in the Queens/BK/Long Island are in our faces. Now, they talked about it in 2007 - being you know the area - you should know the pride in the Queens/BK residents and why we want this team in our back yard. Also you know that Queens residents relate to Long Island much more than Jersey. I know you dont want NY - and thats accceptable but to tell people give up all hope and root for the team accross the river, when the league is dangling this team in their eyes - come on now! Bottom line is - if its not 17 or 18 - NY is going to get its second team! Face it!
For me, its more then a NY v NJ thing. Giants Stadium was built when New Yorkers[mainly whites] we're fleeing the city. Its one of the reasons they never built a train to the Meadowlands. They didn't want certain people showing up to the swamp. NYC isn't like that any more, this city is booming. Has been for over a decade now. Building a SSS on Staten Island would be the same problem as NJ. NO SUBWAY service. You'd have to drive, or take a bus or ferry . And if you do have a knowledge of NYC, then we shouldn't have to tell you why Queens is the right spot for the SSS. Lastly , I don't know about you. But taking me over 2 hours to get 12 miles Is a major pain in the a$$. One that I'll do, maybe twice a year. Anyway..Good Luck getting team..hope we all get what we want
To get back on topic a bit - im kind of curious to know if the PDX owner was giving a list of True Candidates or was it just Speculation - his list is odd St Louis was not on it - Does he know something - if so San Diego and NY - are they making bids?? Very interesting this!
Much like what I get from you guys in New York, I've always had the feeling that Paulson was fine with St. Louis coming in at 17 and that he was fighting for 18.
That's nice. The question is, what is the city of Miami and its stakeholders doing to get a team? Not exactly politics, but if you don't think the cultural differences between a team based in and marketing to NYC, and a team based and mostly marketing to New Jersey would provide a real feeling of rivalry, then you don't know the NY area as well as you say.
