Otras Selecciones Rumbo al Mundial 2014 [R]

Discussion in 'CONMEBOL' started by efernandez9, Feb 6, 2013.

  1. Lucho Gutierrez

    May 29, 2013
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Ok so with that ligoc Paraguay is a better team than Ecuador, Chile and COlombia at the moment? You're a joke bro. They may have performed great in the Copa America, ya two years ago but that was exactly two, almost thee years ago same for Peru, and they are nowhere near being at a level where they can perfrm competitvely against any of the likes in South America never mind outside of CONMEBOL. In those two years many things changed, just like within the shitty perfomrance Paraguay had in Germany '06 and Copa AMerica 2007 they got up and redeemed themselves to qualfy third to South Africa and nearly edge into the semi finals of that said cup. Hence, qualifiers are also an indicator of how a team will perform.
     
  2. pepinointer

    pepinointer Member+

    Mar 12, 2007
    Santiago de Compostela
    Club:
    Millonarios Bogota
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    Paraguay se las arreglo llegar a la final de la copa america sin ganar un partido....
     
  3. Lucho Gutierrez

    May 29, 2013
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    I agree, if anything I felt that Venezuela was way more deserving of gonig to the final than freaking Paraguay. Well in the end they got butt raped by Uruguay which only showed how fluke their road to the final was. And don't get me started how embarrassing Paraguay and Peru would be had they qualified to this World Cup with the shitty forms they've been in, with Gonchi's logic Peru should be a better team altogehter than Chile and COlombia because they always make it at least to the semifinals of the Copa America and they've also made it to the quarter finals of the World Cup, ya back in '78, but where has Peru been since after '82? Nowehre to be ********ing seen on the international football map.
     
  4. condor11

    condor11 Moderator
    Staff Member

    Apr 2, 2002
    New Zealand
    so Chelsea was the best team in Europe while also finishing 5th in the premier league?

    you have to be pretty naive to believe that

    League formats are the best way to sort out where everyone is in relation to everyone else
     
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  5. posteador

    posteador Member+

    Dec 29, 2006
    Lincoln, UK
    #130 posteador, Nov 17, 2013
    Last edited: Nov 17, 2013
    I don't know about Ecuador, but Chile does well in qualifiers because league formats reward attacking sides more than tournament formats. This is not a secret. I don't care about qualifier positions either (as long as it's a direct spot I am happy).

    In a league format I can win a few more matches than those we lose and come out on top to another side who is more solid defensively, like Uruguay, despite them losing less matches than Chile, but drawing more. The 3 points for a win vs 1 point for a draw makes all the difference in league formats.

    In elimination tournaments all that matters is NOT to lose. Which is why Paraguay did so well in Copa America, those guys made it all the way to final without winning in regular time.

    In a league format, a team (A) with 3 consecutive draws will leave you in the same position as a team (B) who loses 2 matches and wins 1. In an elimination cup, like the World Cup for example, I'd put my money on team (A) to go further.

    Having said that, with a generous draw, I think this Chile side can go further than last time as it is more solid defensively, Sampaoli has only lost his first match against Peru (back in March) and has beaten or drawn everyone since. Plus, players are more experienced, so that's a bonus. I'm not sure how Colombia are going to handle their first cup in such a long time...
     
  6. Gonchi

    Gonchi Member

    Apr 23, 2009
    Y también se puede decir que llegaron a la final sin perder un partido...


    You're mixing things up by bringing clubs into it, for one they play that league over a single season not three like our WCQ's, there aren't months of inactivity between fixtures, and there's a CL up for grabs every season, unlike a Copa America which comes once over several years. I don't remember seeing any Argentineans celebrating that they'd won the WCQ's, or Ecuadorians lamenting finishing outside the podium.

    But to answer your question; Yes. If they weren't why didn't someone else win the CL? Manchester City, Manchester United and Arsenal all finished ahead of Chelsea in England, they were also in the CL that year but went out to teams Chelsea beat out to win the CL. I know for certain Chelsea fans were happier finishing 5th in the EPL and winning the CL, than Manchester United fans were being level on points for first place but finishing second on goal difference in England that season.

    Also, if I understand correctly, by your logic, in 1966 when Peñarol won the Libertadores and was beating Real Madrid home and away in the Intercontinental Cup, the best Uruguayan team was actually Nacional? Well, ok, if you say so... I don't think Guri will be bothered given how ridiculous that viewpoint is, though I suspect mwjppgr might be around soon to have some words with you on that regard.


    While I don't necessarily disagree with any of this, when you've got driven players like Forlan and Suarez saying that so long as Uruguay qualify they'd sign going through a play-off, to me it speaks volumes about the mentality with which, at least we, approach a WCQ as opposed to a Copa America or really any other tournament.
     
  7. Lucho Gutierrez

    May 29, 2013
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    If anything I think CHile's defense looks weaker than in the Bielsa era, but your attacking looks great.
     
  8. JAIME CHILE

    JAIME CHILE Member+

    Apr 26, 2006
    V.Alemana y Stgo
    Club:
    Cobreloa Calama
    Nat'l Team:
    Chile
    Miércoles 13:
    Méjico 5 Nueva Zelanda 1

    Viernes 15:
    Ucrania 2 Francia 0:)
    Grecia 3 Rumania 1
    Portugal 1 Suecia 0
    Islandia 0 Croacia 0

    Sábado 16:
    Nigeria 2 Etiopía 0 (Nigeria clasificó al Mundial)
    Senegal 1 Costa de Marfil 1 (en Marruecos) (Costa de Marfil clasificó al Mundial:))

    Domingo 17:
    Camerún 4 Túnez 1 (Camerún clasificó al Mundial)


    CLASIFICADOS AL MUNDIAL DE BRASIL:

    1. BRASIL (local)
    2. Japón
    3. Australia
    4. Irán
    5. Corea del Sur
    6. Holanda
    7. Italia
    8. Costa Rica
    9. Estados Unidos
    10. ARGENTINA
    11. Bélgica
    12. Alemania
    13. Suiza
    14. COLOMBIA
    15. Rusia
    16. Bosnia-Herzegovina:eek:
    17. Inglaterra
    18. España
    19. CHILE:cool::)
    20. ECUADOR
    21. Honduras
    22. Nigeria
    23. Costa de Marfil
    24. Camerún

    Virtualmente clasificados:
    25. Ghana
    26. Uruguay
    27. Méjico

    Martes 19:
    Egipto vs Ghana
    Argelia vs Burkina Faso
    Grecia vs Rumania
    Suecia vs Portugal
    Croacia vs Islandia
    Francia vs Ucrania

    Miércoles 20:
    Nueva Zelanda vs Méjico
     
  9. Yañez

    Yañez Member+

    Oct 11, 2005
    Santiago, Llolleo
    Club:
    Univ de Chile
    Nat'l Team:
    Chile
    Think everyone in the world would take a repechaje if it means a silverware in the WC...not saying anything new. The qualies are a correct measuring stick comparing the teams, what happens in the WC is entirely different.
     
  10. condor11

    condor11 Moderator
    Staff Member

    Apr 2, 2002
    New Zealand
    my personal opinion is that

    short tournaments don't determine who the best team truly are, they simply tell you who won the final game in a month long tournament or in some cases who won the final Penalty Shoot out

    in fact you can win a world cup without winning a game...and that sums it all up really
    also you can go unbeaten over 4 years and lose one game which happens to be the WC final

    of course you cant have a league format for a world event, the logistics would be a nightmare

    in Europe what truly matter is the league (unless your RM who are desperate for their 10th title) the league shows your superiority over your rivals, the CL is a lottery at times, and it depends on what form your in during the crucial states and what luck you get along the way

    to sum it up

    to me the WC is a fantastic global event that showcases football to the world, and I would love to have Peru involved, but to me it does not always determine who the best teams are due to the nature of a month long process, however regardless of what goes on...it is great to watch
     
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  11. posteador

    posteador Member+

    Dec 29, 2006
    Lincoln, UK
    Individually the defence is still weak, but what I mean with stronger defence is that we have more possession. We are defending better through keeping the ball better. Sampaoli's greatest addition has been Marcelo Diaz (formerly from La U now at Basel FC) to our team, he is the brains at the back and keeps the ball rolling at all times.

    I know it was only a friendly but if you look at our match against England, after Chile scored in the 7th minute, we just starting passing it around (and back if necessary), absorbing pressure from England and waiting for our chances to get them on the break. We did it time and time again, like in this video for example:



    Bielsa would have not tolerated a player like Diaz marshalling our movement side-by-side from the back, he would have ordered long passes out wide to Alexis or Edu at every opportunity. His games are very demanding for this reason (and entertaining), but there is no pause and it eventually wears us out.

    Diaz or Pizarro are absolutely key for us, these deep-lying playmakers give the strikers a bit of a rest and make the other teams work a bit harder to get the ball. They get less chances to attack...that's what I meant with better defence.
     
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  12. Gonchi

    Gonchi Member

    Apr 23, 2009
    Fair enough, "para gustos hay colores" as the saying goes.
     
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  13. Dominican Lou

    Dominican Lou Member+

    Nov 27, 2004
    1936 Catalonia
    Admittedly, I was at work so I could only watch it in pieces. But every time I flipped to it, Colombia was creating danger and just dominating in general. The Belgian goalie made two great saves with his foot and one with his hand.

    I did see Fellaini hit the post though.
     
  14. Sandinista

    Sandinista Member+

    Apr 11, 2010
    Buenos Aires
    Club:
    Racing Club de Avellaneda
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    I watched the whole game and, yes, it could've ended on a tie but also could've been an even bigger difference for Colombia. So 2-0 is just about right.
     
  15. JAIME CHILE

    JAIME CHILE Member+

    Apr 26, 2006
    V.Alemana y Stgo
    Club:
    Cobreloa Calama
    Nat'l Team:
    Chile
    Martes 19:
    Ghana clasificó al Mundial tras eliminar a Egipto, pese a perder hoy.

    CLASIFICADOS AL MUNDIAL DE BRASIL:

    1. BRASIL (local)
    2. Japón
    3. Australia
    4. Irán
    5. Corea del Sur
    6. Holanda
    7. Italia
    8. Costa Rica
    9. Estados Unidos
    10. ARGENTINA
    11. Bélgica
    12. Alemania
    13. Suiza
    14. COLOMBIA
    15. Rusia
    16. Bosnia-Herzegovina:eek:
    17. Inglaterra
    18. España
    19. CHILE:cool::)
    20. ECUADOR
    21. Honduras
    22. Nigeria
    23. Costa de Marfil
    24. Camerún
    25. Ghana

    Virtualmente clasificados:
    26. Uruguay
    27. Méjico

    Martes 19:
    Argelia vs Burkina Faso
    Grecia vs Rumania
    Suecia vs Portugal
    Croacia vs Islandia
    Francia vs Ucrania

    Miércoles 20:
    Nueva Zelanda vs Méjico
     
  16. JAIME CHILE

    JAIME CHILE Member+

    Apr 26, 2006
    V.Alemana y Stgo
    Club:
    Cobreloa Calama
    Nat'l Team:
    Chile
    Martes 19:
    Egipto 2 Ghana 1 (Ghana clasificó al Mundial por diferencia de goles)
    Argelia 1 Burkina Faso 0 (Argelia clasificó al Mundial por gol de visita)

    CLASIFICADOS AL MUNDIAL DE BRASIL:

    1. BRASIL (local)
    2. Japón
    3. Australia
    4. Irán
    5. Corea del Sur
    6. Holanda
    7. Italia
    8. Costa Rica
    9. Estados Unidos
    10. ARGENTINA
    11. Bélgica
    12. Alemania
    13. Suiza
    14. COLOMBIA
    15. Rusia
    16. Bosnia-Herzegovina:eek:
    17. Inglaterra
    18. España
    19. CHILE:cool::)
    20. ECUADOR
    21. Honduras
    22. Nigeria
    23. Costa de Marfil
    24. Camerún
    25. Ghana
    26. Argelia

    Virtualmente clasificados:
    27. Uruguay
    28. Méjico

    Jugando:
    Grecia vs Rumania 1:1 (Grecia clasificaría al Mundia:sleep:)
    Suecia vs Portugal 0:0 (Portugal clasificaría al Mundial)
    Croacia vs Islandia 2:0 (Croacia clasificaría al Mundial:))
    Francia vs Ucrania 1:0 (Ucrania clasificaría al Mundial:))

    Miércoles 20:
    Nueva Zelanda vs Méjico
     
  17. JAIME CHILE

    JAIME CHILE Member+

    Apr 26, 2006
    V.Alemana y Stgo
    Club:
    Cobreloa Calama
    Nat'l Team:
    Chile
    Martes 19:
    Egipto 2 Ghana 1 (Ghana clasificó al Mundial por diferencia de goles)
    Argelia 1 Burkina Faso 0 (Argelia clasificó al Mundial por gol de visita)
    Rumania 1 Grecia 1 (Grecia clasificó al Mundial:sleep:)

    CLASIFICADOS AL MUNDIAL DE BRASIL:

    1. BRASIL (local)
    2. Japón
    3. Australia
    4. Irán
    5. Corea del Sur
    6. Holanda
    7. Italia
    8. Costa Rica
    9. Estados Unidos
    10. ARGENTINA
    11. Bélgica
    12. Alemania
    13. Suiza
    14. COLOMBIA
    15. Rusia
    16. Bosnia-Herzegovina:eek:
    17. Inglaterra
    18. España
    19. CHILE:cool::)
    20. ECUADOR
    21. Honduras
    22. Nigeria
    23. Costa de Marfil
    24. Camerún
    25. Ghana
    26. Argelia
    27. Grecia

    Virtualmente clasificados:
    28. Uruguay
    29. Méjico

    Jugando:
    Croacia vs Islandia 2:0 (Croacia clasificaría al Mundial:))
    Suecia vs Portugal 0:1 (Portugal clasificaría al Mundial)
    Francia vs Ucrania 2:0 (van 2:2 en el global, ¡Vamos Ucrania!)

    Miércoles 20:
    Nueva Zelanda vs Méjico
     
  18. JAIME CHILE

    JAIME CHILE Member+

    Apr 26, 2006
    V.Alemana y Stgo
    Club:
    Cobreloa Calama
    Nat'l Team:
    Chile
    Martes 19:
    Egipto 2 Ghana 1 (Ghana clasificó al Mundial por diferencia de goles)
    Argelia 1 Burkina Faso 0 (Argelia clasificó al Mundial por gol de visita)
    Rumania 1 Grecia 1 (Grecia clasificó al Mundial:sleep:)
    Croacia 2 Islandia 0 (Croacia clasificó al Mundial:))

    CLASIFICADOS AL MUNDIAL DE BRASIL:

    1. BRASIL (local)
    2. Japón
    3. Australia
    4. Irán
    5. Corea del Sur
    6. Holanda
    7. Italia
    8. Costa Rica
    9. Estados Unidos
    10. ARGENTINA
    11. Bélgica
    12. Alemania
    13. Suiza
    14. COLOMBIA
    15. Rusia
    16. Bosnia-Herzegovina:eek:
    17. Inglaterra
    18. España
    19. CHILE:cool::)
    20. ECUADOR
    21. Honduras
    22. Nigeria
    23. Costa de Marfil
    24. Camerún
    25. Ghana
    26. Argelia
    27. Grecia
    28. Croacia

    Virtualmente clasificados:
    29. URUGUAY
    30. Méjico

    Jugando:
    Suecia vs Portugal 0:1 (Portugal clasificaría al Mundial)
    Francia vs Ucrania 2:0 (van 2:2 en el global, ¡Vamos Ucrania!)

    Miércoles 20:
    Nueva Zelanda vs Méjico
     
  19. JAIME CHILE

    JAIME CHILE Member+

    Apr 26, 2006
    V.Alemana y Stgo
    Club:
    Cobreloa Calama
    Nat'l Team:
    Chile
    Martes 19:
    Egipto 2 Ghana 1 (Ghana clasificó al Mundial por diferencia de goles)
    Argelia 1 Burkina Faso 0 (Argelia clasificó al Mundial por gol de visita)
    Rumania 1 Grecia 1 (Grecia clasificó al Mundial:sleep:)
    Croacia 2 Islandia 0 (Croacia clasificó al Mundial:))
    Suecia 2 Portugal 3 (Portugal clasificó al Mundial)

    CLASIFICADOS AL MUNDIAL DE BRASIL:

    1. BRASIL (local)
    2. Japón
    3. Australia
    4. Irán
    5. Corea del Sur
    6. Holanda
    7. Italia
    8. Costa Rica
    9. Estados Unidos
    10. ARGENTINA
    11. Bélgica
    12. Alemania
    13. Suiza
    14. COLOMBIA
    15. Rusia
    16. Bosnia-Herzegovina:eek:
    17. Inglaterra
    18. España
    19. CHILE:cool::)
    20. ECUADOR
    21. Honduras
    22. Nigeria
    23. Costa de Marfil
    24. Camerún
    25. Ghana
    26. Argelia
    27. Grecia
    28. Croacia
    29. Portugal

    Virtualmente clasificados:
    30. URUGUAY
    31. Méjico

    Jugando:
    Francia vs Ucrania 3:0 (Francia clasificaría al Mundial:thumbsdown:)

    Miércoles 20:
    Nueva Zelanda vs Méjico
     
  20. JAIME CHILE

    JAIME CHILE Member+

    Apr 26, 2006
    V.Alemana y Stgo
    Club:
    Cobreloa Calama
    Nat'l Team:
    Chile
    Martes 19:
    Egipto 2 Ghana 1 (Ghana clasificó al Mundial por diferencia de goles)
    Argelia 1 Burkina Faso 0 (Argelia clasificó al Mundial por gol de visita)
    Rumania 1 Grecia 1 (Grecia clasificó al Mundial:sleep:)
    Croacia 2 Islandia 0 (Croacia clasificó al Mundial:))
    Suecia 2 Portugal 3 (Portugal clasificó al Mundial)
    Francia 3 Ucrania 0 (Francia clasificó al Mundial por diferencia de goles:thumbsdown:)

    CLASIFICADOS AL MUNDIAL DE BRASIL:

    1. BRASIL (local)
    2. Japón
    3. Australia
    4. Irán
    5. Corea del Sur
    6. Holanda
    7. Italia
    8. Costa Rica
    9. Estados Unidos
    10. ARGENTINA
    11. Bélgica
    12. Alemania
    13. Suiza
    14. COLOMBIA
    15. Rusia
    16. Bosnia-Herzegovina:eek:
    17. Inglaterra
    18. España
    19. CHILE:cool::)
    20. ECUADOR
    21. Honduras
    22. Nigeria
    23. Costa de Marfil
    24. Camerún
    25. Ghana
    26. Argelia
    27. Grecia
    28. Croacia
    29. Portugal
    30. Francia

    Virtualmente clasificados:
    31. URUGUAY
    32. Méjico

    Miércoles 20:
    Nueva Zelanda vs Méjico
     
  21. JAIME CHILE

    JAIME CHILE Member+

    Apr 26, 2006
    V.Alemana y Stgo
    Club:
    Cobreloa Calama
    Nat'l Team:
    Chile
    Miércoles 20 (Martes 20 en Oceanía):
    Nueva Zelanda 2 Méjico 4 (Méjico clasificó al Mundial)

    CLASIFICADOS AL MUNDIAL DE BRASIL:

    1. BRASIL (local)
    2. Japón
    3. Australia
    4. Irán
    5. Corea del Sur
    6. Holanda
    7. Italia
    8. Costa Rica
    9. Estados Unidos
    10. ARGENTINA
    11. Bélgica
    12. Alemania
    13. Suiza
    14. COLOMBIA
    15. Rusia
    16. Bosnia-Herzegovina:eek:
    17. Inglaterra
    18. España
    19. CHILE:cool::)
    20. ECUADOR
    21. Honduras
    22. Nigeria
    23. Costa de Marfil
    24. Camerún
    25. Ghana
    26. Argelia
    27. Grecia
    28. Croacia
    29. Portugal
    30. Francia
    31. Méjico

    Virtualmente clasificado:
    32. URUGUAY
     
  22. JAIME CHILE

    JAIME CHILE Member+

    Apr 26, 2006
    V.Alemana y Stgo
    Club:
    Cobreloa Calama
    Nat'l Team:
    Chile
    LOS 32 CLASIFICADOS AL MUNDIAL DE BRASIL:

    1. BRASIL (local)
    2. Japón
    3. Australia
    4. Irán
    5. Corea del Sur
    6. Holanda
    7. Italia
    8. Costa Rica
    9. Estados Unidos
    10. ARGENTINA
    11. Bélgica
    12. Alemania
    13. Suiza
    14. COLOMBIA
    15. Rusia
    16. Bosnia-Herzegovina:eek:
    17. Inglaterra
    18. España
    19. CHILE:cool::)
    20. ECUADOR
    21. Honduras
    22. Nigeria
    23. Costa de Marfil
    24. Camerún
    25. Ghana
    26. Argelia
    27. Grecia
    28. Croacia
    29. Portugal
    30. Francia
    31. Méjico
    32. URUGUAY
     
  23. pepinointer

    pepinointer Member+

    Mar 12, 2007
    Santiago de Compostela
    Club:
    Millonarios Bogota
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    Unico debutante , es bosnia??? cierto?
     
  24. JAIME CHILE

    JAIME CHILE Member+

    Apr 26, 2006
    V.Alemana y Stgo
    Club:
    Cobreloa Calama
    Nat'l Team:
    Chile
    Como país independiente son debutantes, aunque como parte de ex-Yugoslavia siempre hubo jugadores bosnio-herzegovinos en los Mundiales de 1930 hasta 1990.
    Sólo por nombrar los del Mundial de Italia 1990 que jugaron por Yugoslavia: Safet Susic, Faruk Hadzibegic, Davor Jozic, Zlatko Vujovic, Refik Sabanadzovic, Fahrudin Omerovic, Mirsad Baljic, el D.T. Ivica Osim, etc.
     
  25. pepinointer

    pepinointer Member+

    Mar 12, 2007
    Santiago de Compostela
    Club:
    Millonarios Bogota
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    Y creo que colombia es el equipo de los que van que llevaba mas tiempo sin ir¡ ya era hora
     

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