Shame, I'd like to see Bilbao win because how they played. They've been a breath of fresh air this year.
I agree.... Just saying whether it's beating United, PSG, Schalke etc. I think in general they've been great value.
You're going to respectfully decline. But they don't approach just anybody. They'd never approach an honest man, only crooks.
I dont think so they will go for anyone that they can get and take advantage of a lot of the players involved aren't making wages that will support them after their careers are done and those are the players these type of people go after. At the end of the day anything that the mafia, camorra and Ndrangheta touches becomes corrupted...
Here's the thing, you can't start picking and choosing punishments based on who's story you believe more than the other. If the players are proven guilty, every single player could use that defense, even the ones who willingly fixed games without much coercion. If you're guilty you have to be punished equally for you crimes. If you can't prove you had no choice then it's nothing than the testimony of someone who has been found guilty of cheating. As for the club the same thing applies, you can claim plausible deniability but the fact is they were still caught fixing matches. Matches you won aren't valid and we can't go back and replay those matches. Simply taking away points from a few seasons ago isn't a proper deterrent and it isn't fair to the clubs who were affected by your cheating. As long as it's in some reasonable statute of limitations then I'm all for retroactive punishment, 1-5 years possibly. It's the only way to give justice to the rest of the clubs in the present. Football can often throw up results which have a ripple effect around the league, when clubs are manufacturing results I think it potentially can do the same. There's no telling what could have happened without outside influences, it effects the very fabric of the game. I'm sick of watching Italian football and because of the history of the league always having questions about a result.
You said it yourself, they are going after the people they expect to accept their offer. They don't go around making people work with them. That would just be bad business(not that it hasn't been done).
Let's not start making excuses for these criminals (the players cheating). Whatever they earn it is way higher than the medium in Italy. I don't want to hear any BS about the poor players not making enough money when normal people don't have squat left after they pay their bills. It's greed plain and simple and each and every person involved should be heavily punished.
perhaps you are right but most players are idiots and spend everything they have so at the end they are looking at their account and see that there is nothing left. Im not trying to make excuses im just trying to get another view on this at the end of the day you can punish players and clubs all you want but its not going to change anything they have to go after the people making the offers. If calciopoli didnt fix things nothing will.
In my opinion it doesn't matter, everyone that breaks the law has a good excuse for doing it. At the end of the day they still broke the law. They should be punished accordingly. The best thing they can do in Italy right now is to punish the individuals (and not the clubs) as severely as humanly possibly. Make an example of them.
What influence remains of a mafia in Bari and Camorra in napoli? See its different in USA, our mob is the Government =I
So what?? We still need to attempt to stop it. Stopping murders is a pipe dream but we still put murderers away.
At what cost? The one glaring thing about this whole affair is that every Italian in any way connected to calcio seems to have his phone tapped. And shaving goals is not murder.
Well they went after Doni and he agreed. I am pretty sure he had plenty of money before all of this. Long punishments/bans for players, European bans and demotions for clubs. Italian football is still in a mess and that is very sad. Look at the betting for Catania v Udinese this week The whole culture of the friendly end of season draw needs to die pronto. Surely they wont play for a draw amidst this but could you honestly say you would be surprised if they did..
CalcioscommesseUpdate May 10, 2012 - It’s reported once Bari Ultras figured out that players were fixing games they too got into the act. On May 10, 2012 Three Bari Ultra leaders were arrested on suspicion of forcing Bari players to lose the following games. Bari 1-2 Chievo Cesena 1-0 Bari Bari 0-1 Sampdoria - It’s also reported few Bari players were slapped by the Ultras in dressing room and rest were warned. Moreover, ex-Bari players Gillet and Marco Rossi said they refused to follow the Ultra Leaders orders, but Bari did lose the 3 games. Also, alleged by Carella (friend of Masiello) is that Masiello meet with Samp players including Palombo in Hotel prior to Bari 0-1 Samp game. so are these players still criminals? Kqql posted this.
They were being fiscally harmed by people well not people animals. you cant just see things in black and white the world isnt so cut and dry.
They were fixing games, then the Bari fans discovered it and got in on the action. The match fixing was ALREADY going on. They had plenty of options and at each stage they choose to make the wrong decision. It's not at all black and white it's called common sense.
Yes but they weren't all doing it the ultras got more of them involved in it. at least two of the players from that team showed some kind of strength...anyway to each his own.
Zeman punge la Juve: "Tre stelle? Scudetti sono 22 o 23" http://www.tuttonapoli.net/?action=read&idnotizia=95540 statements like these are what is going to keep Zeman in Serie B but I doubt he really said this...