Official New Jersey News Thread

Discussion in 'Politics & Current Events' started by MasterShake29, Jan 5, 2007.

  1. christopher d

    christopher d New Member

    Jun 11, 2002
    Weehawken, NJ
    That's it. I want county-wide services, I want an end to anything more than a post-office servicing individual municipalities, and I want 1% property tax rates like I had back in Cali. There is no reason a township as small as my own (weehawken) should have its own freaking police force. And Guttenberg is even smaller! Run it all from Union City -- us, WNY, Guttenberg, North Bergen... Then have Secaucus and Bayonne wrapped up into Jersey City and Kearny and Harrison merged. Voila -- I just halved the government services spending in Hudson County.
     
  2. Matt in the Hat

    Matt in the Hat Moderator
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    Sep 21, 2002
    Brooklyn
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    New York Red Bulls
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    On Long Island, the police force is county wide. Works pretty well.
     
  3. MasterShake29

    MasterShake29 Member+

    Oct 28, 2001
    Jersey City, NJ
    Club:
    New York Red Bulls
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    And your last sentence there is the exact reason it will never happen, even if it makes complete sense.
     
  4. MasterShake29

    MasterShake29 Member+

    Oct 28, 2001
    Jersey City, NJ
    Club:
    New York Red Bulls
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Jersey City Targets Teen Drinking on Private Property

    I'm sure the biggest problem facing Jersey City today is the consumption of alcohol in private homes. Guess there must be no real crime or anything like that.

    Ridiculous.
     
  5. Matt in the Hat

    Matt in the Hat Moderator
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    Sep 21, 2002
    Brooklyn
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    New York Red Bulls
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    United States
    Forgive me if I don't agree with you. While I don't agree with the suspension of driving privleges (as the two are not related), I have no problem with a fine for illegal activity.

    Besides, it's not like the JCPD are gonna be coming into family parties or something like that. Generally, you will have to be disturbing the peace first and then the fines come down.

    And DTJC is way safe. The crime is neglegable. The rest of the city, however, needs work
     
  6. MasterShake29

    MasterShake29 Member+

    Oct 28, 2001
    Jersey City, NJ
    Club:
    New York Red Bulls
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I don't either. Except that why is this illegal?

    Who's being hurt here? Are you suffering if a 20 year old drinks at their place of residence?

    If they're "disturbing the peace", nail them for that.

    Our puritanical drinking laws make zero sense.
     
  7. Matt in the Hat

    Matt in the Hat Moderator
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    Sep 21, 2002
    Brooklyn
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    New York Red Bulls
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Well, that I can agree with. Unfortunately as long as the drinking age is 21, JC has every right to enforce the law in whatever way they see fit.

    IMO there should be no drinking age.

    As for puritanical laws, at least it's not as bad as all of the stores being closed in Bergen County on Sunday
     
  8. MasterShake29

    MasterShake29 Member+

    Oct 28, 2001
    Jersey City, NJ
    Club:
    New York Red Bulls
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    They may have a "right", but just because you have the right to do something doesn't mean you should. I almost hope real crime goes up as a result of this stupidity.

    Agreed. It shocks me that is still the case. They should change the county signs on the Parkway to "Bergen County - Closed on Sunday".
     
  9. Matt in the Hat

    Matt in the Hat Moderator
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    Sep 21, 2002
    Brooklyn
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    New York Red Bulls
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    United States
    Thanks :rolleyes:
     
  10. christopher d

    christopher d New Member

    Jun 11, 2002
    Weehawken, NJ
    Hey now. That provides some of us with a well-needed day off.
     
  11. Matt in the Hat

    Matt in the Hat Moderator
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    Sep 21, 2002
    Brooklyn
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    New York Red Bulls
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    You can have it. It keeps all of the revenue in Hudson County
     
  12. JBigjake

    JBigjake Member+

    Nov 16, 2003
    http://www.state.nj.us/njsp/info/ucr2005/pdf/2005-sect-9.pdf
    NJ: 8.7 million people, 21,504 municipal police
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NYPD#Organization
    NYC: 8 million+ people, 35-40,000 NYPD officers
    "In June 2004, there were about 40,000 sworn officers plus several thousand support staff; In June 2005, that number dropped to 35,000. The NYPD's current authorized uniformed strength is 37,038, which is scheduled to increase to 37,838 in January 2007.
     
  13. christopher d

    christopher d New Member

    Jun 11, 2002
    Weehawken, NJ
    While comparing and contrasting NYC and the Garden State seems reasonable in my neck of the woods, Hunterdon County might not need the same cop : person ratio as The Big Apple.

    And 21,504 is Municipal police. How many sheriffs deputies, state troopers, etc. does NJ have? Put all of that together, and how many administrations are we talking about to manage that many police officers? NYC has one.
     
  14. JBigjake

    JBigjake Member+

    Nov 16, 2003
    AFAIK, there are many complaints about the reduced size of the NCPD, caused in part by its huge salaries.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nassau_County_Police_Department#Personnel_issues
    "In the early 1970s ... nearly 4,200 officers. Since then, it has declined to around 2,600 ... the department's reduced size has been a source of controversy"
    Nassau County: 1.3 million people, 2,600 police
    http://www.state.nj.us/njsp/info/ucr2005/pdf/2005-sect-9.pdf
    Hudson County: 600,000 people, 1,944 police
     
  15. JBigjake

    JBigjake Member+

    Nov 16, 2003
    There are several other police agencies in NYC as well. Put all them together & you still have many more officers than in NJ. Plus, NYC has massive layers of brass, including hundreds of officers above the rank of captain. I spent a career in law enforcement; combining agencies has both good & bad effects. I've seen excellent small town cops, as well as poor big city/big agency police.
    I know that your local fire department was merged into the North Hudson Regional Fire Dept., supposedly saving a lot of money. OTOH, my neighbor works there & with the 24-hour-on/72-hour-off schedule, he makes $1,200 per tour!
     
  16. Matt in the Hat

    Matt in the Hat Moderator
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    Sep 21, 2002
    Brooklyn
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    New York Red Bulls
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    But Nassau is just as safe as it was then
     
  17. JBigjake

    JBigjake Member+

    Nov 16, 2003
    From the vantage point of NJ, neither you nor I can be sure of this.
     
  18. christopher d

    christopher d New Member

    Jun 11, 2002
    Weehawken, NJ
    Sorry for the un-Politics Board moment, folks, but I'm going to demure to the expert.

    jbJ: Do you think such efforts work best in urban (Hudson Co), suburban (Somerset Co) or rural (Sussex Co) areas? Or does it depend more on the political will of locals to make it work?
     
  19. JBigjake

    JBigjake Member+

    Nov 16, 2003
    Demure? I hope you meant defer! :D
    I'm not sure if a perfect size for a police agency has been determined. There have been studies focusing on structure, trying to determine how many front line officers are needed, as well as how many supervisors & support staff (detectives, technicians, clerks, etc.). IMO, small teams of well-trained and well-motivated officers work the best. If a large department can consist of dozens or even hundreds of these small units, it can function as well as Sheriff Andy (even with Barney!). Officers need to know their community and the community needs to know & support its officers, for the effort to be successful, whether the beat is one block or 10 square miles, or the unit is a single officer or a team-policing squad. A sense of humor & some discretion are also helpful. :D
     
  20. JBigjake

    JBigjake Member+

    Nov 16, 2003
  21. Dyvel

    Dyvel Member+

    Jul 24, 1999
    The dog end of a day gone by
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    Nat'l Team:
    Ireland Republic
  22. Dyvel

    Dyvel Member+

    Jul 24, 1999
    The dog end of a day gone by
    Club:
    Leeds United AFC
    Nat'l Team:
    Ireland Republic
  23. Matt in the Hat

    Matt in the Hat Moderator
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    Sep 21, 2002
    Brooklyn
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    New York Red Bulls
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    United States
  24. Norsk Troll

    Norsk Troll Member+

    Sep 7, 2000
    Central NJ
    For the most part, those girls are fairly unattractive.
     
  25. Dyvel

    Dyvel Member+

    Jul 24, 1999
    The dog end of a day gone by
    Club:
    Leeds United AFC
    Nat'l Team:
    Ireland Republic

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