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Discussion in 'Boca Juniors' started by bosterosoy, May 22, 2008.
Side note: welcome back English Bostero.. You've been missed around here! Hope the fam's doing well!
Most likely people buy the overruns from the factory through black market distributors that get them behind Nike's back. I'm also guessing some of those "overruns" happen on purpose. And then there's the copycats.
Cheers mate, its nice to be back, the past few months have been hell without boca) hope you and the rest of our gang here are all good.
So, about roman, one of the thoughts that crossed my mind was that when he left boca in july, that it was maybe an attempt to get falcioni to leave? Because if he really wanted to play somewhere else he would have been doing so by now.
Whatever the circumstances, he didnt come out of these events looking well, you cant just abandon the team like that, and i think to come back asking for an extension to that original contract is a little cheeky. So, as much as i hate to say it, i think angelici is right to say no, however, id support him being given a Contract to 2014 maximum.
I agree with your first sentence but not so much the rest lol.
Regardless of whether he is an idol or a kid getting his first contract,he is a professional player so why shouldn't he try to negotiate a good deal for himself?As for it being a whole masterminded long term plot since June that seems more than a little fanciful!!
Can't speak for all Boca fans but I would say most would say Riquelme has earned every penny of his 'multi million dollar contract'.
Having said that I think the board have made a sensible decision in not granting an extension straight away.The word is they want to impose some conditions such as number of games played,results,titles etc before a contract extenson would kick in.For a player of Roman's age that makes sense to me.
Will Roman accept those conditions?I hope so but the guy makes his own decisions regardless of what anybody thinks.Still seems 50-50 that we see him back in a Boca shirt
I'm not saying it was a "whole masterminded long term plot".. but if he said in July that he was "empty" and "had nothing more to give to Boca (no puedo jugar a la mitad)," why would that be any different after 6 months of inactivity?
Angelici is an idiot. He should give Roman the extension.
We sometimes forget that players are human beings.Of course in an ideal world no personal issues should come into play and the club comes before all. Truth is it's impossible to remove the human factor.The deterioration in the relationship with Falcioni was well documented and in my opinion seemed justified.Now that there is someone Riquelme trusts in charge he appears interested in coming back.The guy is obviously a very headstrong character but I dont see that as totally unreasonable behaviour.Could all parties have handled things better?Absolutely but thats life!
I'm curious as to what you all boca fans/riquelmistas think of the recent developments.
As an outsider, I think Riquelme's actions are completely unprofessional. From quitting mere seconds after losing the final (a game in which he played badly and barely ran), to openly criticizing falcioni and the team- causing a media circus every week, to now not showing up to the reunion.
I dont know much about the political side of boca, but it appears to an outsider that angelici is bending over backwards to get the fans on his side and to bring riquelme back. The tecnico Riquelme wanted is there, everything is in place, and your club starts training tomorrow, and riquelme won't be there. How does a player gain the respect in the dressing room when he demands to earn more than anyone else, yet takes off six months, then doesn't even bother to show up at training on the first day after the long vacation? Many of his teammates probably didn't see eye to eye with Falcioni/Angelici either, yet they showed up to train every day and played every weekend while riquelme was having asados and playing with his friends and working in a gym. Like Bermudez said, Riquelme should return, train, and play and if he does his job as he is capable of, then he should get a new contract.
As a River fan, I want Riquelme to return because it is good for the league and because it would add spice to the superclasicos, but the guy is out of line in my opinion. Not only is his conduct poor, but he is playing with the emotions of the Boca fans terribly, and has been doing so since the corinthians final when his brother announced "there would be a big announcement after the game" that caused a media uproar and certainly resulted in unrest.
I kinda agree with you though I'd much rather deal with Roman's antics than say those of a Balotelli or a Joey Barton. I think for some of us those quirks in a way humanize him a bit more and we see him as almost a regular guy like you and me. That might be simplifying it a bit but I hope you get what I mean. Since Roman came back from Spain, things at the club have hardly been stable and I sense some of that may have had an effect on him as well. I also remember him waiving his salary and taking less to stay at Boca when he could have gone elsewhere for much more.
Roman is a character, no doubt, but he's our character. For me he is also one of the best players I've ever seen and considering my age and lifelong love of the game is saying something. Good post by the way Gaucho.
So its now official that roman wont be coming back.
I had a feeling it would end like this, and whilst i wanted to see him in a boca shirt again, something tells me that maybe its better for boca in the long run.
Its not often i agree with gaucho, but im almost completely agreeing with him here. Nomatter what he thought about the management of the club or what issues he had with them, there is no excuse for abandoning the team after the corinthians debacle or turning this whole thing into a circus.
My question is, if roman is has principles and his word, why did he even come to negotiate to come back to boca? He should have said no from the beginning instead of letting this drag on the past few weeks. And then there is the issue of wanting an extended contract, in my opinion a player who has walked out of his club should come back with his tail between his legs,NOT come back expecting an improved contract. How would your employers respond if you left halfway through your contract and did this?
Roman is a legend and always will be, he is my favourite player of all time and it was an honour to see him live at a boca game on two occasions, something ill never forget.
But no man is bigger than the club, it was here before and will be here after roman. Im just dissapointed that roman didnt see it like this and show more respect to the fans, the fans who have supported him throughout his career.
IMO he has pride and had he come back would look like he was going back on his word. Reminds me of the clash between him and Maradona. Both had too much pride to work something out for the NT. Same goes here with him going back on his word.
I wonder if he's going to retire or go play in Brasil or follow the oil money.
Martucci confirmed that Riquelme never asked for a contract extension and they never got close to convincing him to return.Riquelme met with Angelici and Bianchi out of respect but a return was never likely.
So you can choose to believe all the nonsense the journalists write(most for political reasons)or you can be grateful to a man who brought years of success and pure footballing magic to Boca.Thanks Roman and good luck whatever you do in the future
While I don't think your wrong I think the truth is between this and the other side. It's ok to be critical of your own team and players when the time calls for it.
As a River fan we could have a good time laughing about this but its a pity for the league and the Superclasicos because Roman always brought something extra.The truth is of course he should have been a River player he didnt really want to "transpirar por la camiseta" he wanted to create like a Pedernera or Onega or Alonso or an Aimar hence his friendship for El payaso
Bostero o no, Riqu or Trist elme he was a genius as delight to watch God forgive me even in los Super.Gracias por el futbol Roman
There was only one man who said 'estoy a la disposicion de boca' and that was riquelme himself.
I agree that as boca fans we got a little carried away by the whole thing, but how else could romans actions be seen as other than someone who is about to sign for the club? If as you say they never came close to getting him to sign, why go through this whole rigmarole?
My only hope is that he doesnt retire, id love to see him playing someone, maybe in fluminense as they hve been reporting. But i could even accept him playing in argentina, in somewhere like tigre or argentinos. Its just sad that right at the end of his career the footblling world is being deprived of his skills.
because i'm a fan of riquelme before boca juniors, i hope he do not retire.
just play at other club if he don't want to wear again the boca shirt. i'm still don't feel satisfied until he won something big, maybe 1 world cup perhaps
LOL you're not going to endear yourself to any boca fans by saying riquelme never won anything "big"
As a River fan, Riquelme always drove me crazy but he was a joy to watch and things won't be the same without him. The game needs more Riquelmes, not less.
But at the same time he was always selfish and it's been a long time coming that you guys would need to stop relying on him and his temperament. Reminds me of what we had to go through with Ortega, and while we still haven't truly replaced El Burrito I was relieved when that saga finally ended. Sometimes you got to remember the shirt is bigger than any one player.
I wouldn't mind seeing Riquelme in Brazil, although I hate seeing so much Argentine talent in Brazil, it's worse than Europe in reminding us about the current state of the Primera and how far it has fallen. Though personally I would like to be able to watch Roman again without having to watch Boca, like when he played for Villarreal.
The press is saying Boca and Corinthians have reached an agreement for Burrito Martinez ($3.25m for 50% of the transfer). Good reinforcement for Boca, although that is a pretty high transfer fee.
Looks like your formula for winning is hiring a River fan as a coach and bringing a River fanatic as the key reinforcement for your offense.
i know libertadores & intercontinental/club world cup are big success, but.....
i want him to get recognize as one of the best if not the best by clueless group of football fan which always said he never won something "big" like zidane
Well, I guess after all these years we still have to compensate for the greatest River player/Boca fanatic in history, Charro Moreno, and for River's president/Boca fanatic Daniel Passarella.
But great news about Burrito if true. Great player, and if we cannot get Roman to come back, that's the next best thing going into Copa Libertadores.
I would have liked to have had Leandro Paredes spend some time with Roman to help his growth but it is what it is. I really do like the idea of Paredes learning from Bianchi than JCF any day of the week.
And of course...
Things are looking up!
Sad news as seba has finally called it quits, but he has been asked to stay on working with the kids.
Hell, id not seen this goal before, if this is the kind of thing were gonna be seeing, id say its a slight improvement on the falcioni era