Official 2014 ACL Thread

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  1. Radu Razvan

    Radu Razvan Member+

    Mar 1, 2013
    Bucharest, Romania
    Club:
    AS Roma
    Nat'l Team:
    Romania
    http://www.the-afc.com/en/acl-news/acl-all-news/27354-acl14-draw-101213.html

    GROUP E
    E1. Pohang Steelers (KOR)
    E2. Buriram United (THA)
    E3. Shandong Luneng Taishan (CHN)
    E4. League 3rd place (JPN)

    Frontale's group

    GROUP H
    H1. Western Sydney Wanderers (AUS)
    H2. Guizhou Renhe (CHN)
    H3. League Runner-up (JPN)
    H4. Ulsan Hyundai (KOR)

    F-Marinos.

    GROUP F
    F1. Sanfrecce Hiroshima (JPN)

    F2. Central Coast Mariners (AUS)
    F3. FC Seoul (KOR)
    F4. Winner of Playoff 3.1 (East)


    GROUP G
    G1. Guangzhou Evergrande (CHN)
    G2. Knockout Champion (JPN)
    G3. Jeonbuk Hyundai Motors (KOR)
    G4. Winner of Playoff 3.2 (East)

    Winner of Emperor Cup.
     
  2. naopon

    naopon Member+

    Jan 2, 2007
    California
    Club:
    Kawasaki Frontale
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    What makes this draw funky for the J.League teams is that Marinos, Sanfrecce and Frontale are all alive in the Emperor's Cup.
    http://www.jfa.or.jp/match/topics/2013/204.html

    Draw scenarios based on Emperor's Cup winner:

    • Sanfrecce or Marinos win Emperor's Cup
      • E: Cerezo
      • F: Sanfrecce
      • G: Marinos
      • H: Frontale
    • Frontale wins Emperor's Cup
      • E: Cerezo
      • F: Sanfrecce
      • G: Frontale
      • H: Marinos
    • Trinita, Sagan, Vegalta, FC Tokyo, or Ventforet win Emperor's Cup
      • E: Frontale
      • F: Sanfrecce
      • G: Emperor's Cup winners
      • H: Marinos
     
  3. nipponbasse83

    nipponbasse83 Member+

    Jun 17, 2007
    Ichikawa, Chiba, Japan
    Club:
    Consadole Sapporo
    Nat'l Team:
    Norway
    Winning the Emperor's Cup means you will have to face Evergrande then if u are Frontale or Marinos...
     
  4. Whispered11

    Whispered11 Member+

    U.C. Sampdoria
    Japan
    Oct 4, 2011
    Munich, Germany
    Club:
    UC Sampdoria
    Nat'l Team:
    Japan
    Group F is really tough. I hope Sanfrecce will pull a better play than last year.
     
  5. nipponbasse83

    nipponbasse83 Member+

    Jun 17, 2007
    Ichikawa, Chiba, Japan
    Club:
    Consadole Sapporo
    Nat'l Team:
    Norway
    Should be a pretty big chance Hiroshima and Seoul qualify rather easily from that group, if they take it seriously that is of course?

    Mariners have so far not looked the same after Arnold left, and can't see them have any big chance at taking points against Seoul or Hiroshima, especially not away. The 4th team will most likely be Beijing Guo'an or one of the Thai-teams, which both should on paper be an "easy" match to Seoul/Hiroshima. But I guess we never know if JApanese teams take it seriously or not, so anything can happen=)
     
  6. Dax

    Dax Moderator
    Staff Member

    Feb 29, 2012
    Nat'l Team:
    Japan
    Last year both Vegalta and Seoul were unable to defeat Burinam United for example, so I don't think it's that easy...
     
  7. Radu Razvan

    Radu Razvan Member+

    Mar 1, 2013
    Bucharest, Romania
    Club:
    AS Roma
    Nat'l Team:
    Romania
    The experience is very important for Vegalta and also Arnold has experience in this competition. I expect a lot from them.
     
  8. Blue-San

    Blue-San Member+

    Jun 21, 2011
    Club:
    Kashima Antlers
    Nat'l Team:
    Japan
    ACL has many flaws

    - distances
    - pitches
    - referees
    etc...

    I would however still like to see Japanese teams doing well there, otherwise like it or not it tarnishes the reputation of Japanese football
     
  9. ChaDuRi671

    ChaDuRi671 Member+

    Dec 30, 2010
    Club:
    FC Seoul
    Nat'l Team:
    Korea Republic
    #9 ChaDuRi671, Dec 14, 2013
    Last edited: Dec 14, 2013
    Don't expect too much from a team that just went through a managerial change. Also when it comes to the ACL, Arnie has had a horrible record with the Central Coast Mariners.

    The distances have been shorten. All the East Asian clubs will not meet any West Asian clubs until the semi-finals. The pitches are not that bad in East Asia. Also AFC can't hire top notch Euro refs nor can the Asian ones improve if we do that.
     
  10. Radu Razvan

    Radu Razvan Member+

    Mar 1, 2013
    Bucharest, Romania
    Club:
    AS Roma
    Nat'l Team:
    Romania
    but the aussie football is very poor in comparison to japanese football.
     
  11. nipponbasse83

    nipponbasse83 Member+

    Jun 17, 2007
    Ichikawa, Chiba, Japan
    Club:
    Consadole Sapporo
    Nat'l Team:
    Norway
    I think they did quite good this season, finishing ahead of Guizhou and Suwon and reaching the final stages. Not too many other Australian teams have managed that. And anyone would have lost against Evergrande in the 8th finals!
     
  12. ChaDuRi671

    ChaDuRi671 Member+

    Dec 30, 2010
    Club:
    FC Seoul
    Nat'l Team:
    Korea Republic
    Aside from Japanese footy being better than Aussie footy, you don't expect a team to do very well when they undergo a managerial change.

    Arnie's record in the ACL since 2010:
    (3W-4D-7L)

    I'm not saying Arnie's a bad manager. All I am just saying is that don't expect too much from Velgalta next year.

    edit: Suwon is a good example of what I am talking about. They went through a manager change and they did poorly in the ACL and in the K-League.
     
  13. nipponbasse83

    nipponbasse83 Member+

    Jun 17, 2007
    Ichikawa, Chiba, Japan
    Club:
    Consadole Sapporo
    Nat'l Team:
    Norway
    But that's still pretty good considering Mariners have met on paper far better teams than themselves in 80-90% of their matches! 5 of their losses came against Nagoya, Reysol and Evergrande, all games they were expected to lose by a big margin anyway. The 2 others vs Guizhou and Seongnam, which are also arguably better on paper than what Mariners have ever been?

    A quick look at the other Australian team's results in recent years shows that Mariners have actually been the best performing team by a big margin since Adelaide lost to Gamba in the final. Brisbane, who are supposed to be the best team in Australia, havent even managed to pick up a single win.

    Arnie did wonders with Mariners I think, and if given enough time, I think Vegalta can improve as well. He's good with young players, and managed to turn a relatively poor club into one of the best in Australia. He's a good tactician as well, but of course coaching in Japan will be a different thing than in Australia, and it will be interesting to see if he can manage the cultural difference.
     
  14. naopon

    naopon Member+

    Jan 2, 2007
    California
    Club:
    Kawasaki Frontale
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    With Marinos and Sanfrecce in the Emperor's Cup final, Cerezo has sealed a place in the 2014 ACL.
     
  15. naopon

    naopon Member+

    Jan 2, 2007
    California
    Club:
    Kawasaki Frontale
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Groups finalized.

     
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  16. Dax

    Dax Moderator
    Staff Member

    Feb 29, 2012
    Nat'l Team:
    Japan
    yay Cerezo!
     
  17. Dax

    Dax Moderator
    Staff Member

    Feb 29, 2012
    Nat'l Team:
    Japan
    ugh, Evergrande got Diamanti...
     
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  18. naopon

    naopon Member+

    Jan 2, 2007
    California
    Club:
    Kawasaki Frontale
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Uchida: "Italy isn't that great aside from Pirlo and Balotelli."
     
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  19. GunnerTNB

    GunnerTNB Member+

    Apr 4, 2011
    São Paulo
    Club:
    Botafogo Rio Janeiro
    Wikipedia says the prize for the winning team will increase from 1,5k to 10k dollars this year, but I could not find anything confirming it in AFC website. Is there any true in this info?
     
  20. Blue-San

    Blue-San Member+

    Jun 21, 2011
    Club:
    Kashima Antlers
    Nat'l Team:
    Japan
    million not K :p


    But this is really good news. Now it should become a lot more important. Hope 2nd place and semi finals for instance get a nice boost as well.


    For 10 mils those flight up and down and karate fights on the pitch might actually be worth

    Cerezo might actually be interested in that.

    I dont think Sanfrecce, Yokohama and Kawasaki are capable to do much in there or better to say dont have the dept needed to battle on two fronts.

    Reds would have that but they were 6th so...
     
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  21. Gordon1995

    Gordon1995 Member+

    Oct 3, 2013
    When did he said that? Outrageous statement to make imo.
     
  22. naopon

    naopon Member+

    Jan 2, 2007
    California
    Club:
    Kawasaki Frontale
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    during the confederations cup
     
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  23. naopon

    naopon Member+

    Jan 2, 2007
    California
    Club:
    Kawasaki Frontale
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    ACL rosters

    Sanfrecce Hiroshima

    No
    PosPlayer NameDOBNat
    1GKTakuto Hiyashi9 Aug, 1982JPN
    2DFHwang Seok-Ho27 Jun, 1989KOR
    3DFByeon Jun-Byum5 Feb, 1991KOR
    4DFHiroki Mizumoto12 Sep, 1985JPN
    5DFKazuhiko Chiba21 Jun, 1985JPN
    6MFToshihiro Aoyama22 Feb, 1986JPN
    7MFKoji Morisaki9 May, 1981JPN
    8MFKazuyuki Morisaki9 May, 1981JPN
    9FWNaoki Ishihara14 Aug, 1984JPN
    10MFYojiro Takahagi2 Aug, 1986JPN
    11FWHisato Sato12 Mar, 1982JPN
    13GKTakuya Masuda29 Jun, 1989JPN
    14MFMihael Mikic6 Jan, 1980CRO
    16MFSatoru Yamagishi3 May, 1983JPN
    17DFPark Hyung-Jin24 Jun, 1990KOR
    18MFYoshifumi Kashiwa28 Jul, 1987JPN
    21GKYutaro Hara23 Apr, 1990JPN
    22FWYusuke Minigawa9 Oct, 1991JPN
    24MFGakuto Notsuda6 Jun, 1994JPN
    25MFYusuke Chajima20 Jul, 1991JPN
    27MFKohei Shimizu30 Apr, 1989JPN
    28MFTakuya Marutani30 May, 1989JPN
    29FWTakuma Asano10 Nov, 1994JPN
    30MFKosei Shibasaki28 Aug, 1984JPN
    31GKTeimoshi Shiraoka8 Sep, 1996JPN
    33DFTsukasa Shiotani5 Dec, 1988JPN
    34DFSoya Takahashi29 Feb, 1996JPN
    35DFNaoki Otani24 Sep, 1995JPN
    36MFHayao Kawabe8 Sep, 1995JPN
    37MFKazuya Miyahara22 Mar, 1996JPN


    Cerezo Osaka

    No
    PosPlayer NameDOBNat
    1GKHiroyuki Takeda30 Nov, 1983JPN
    2MFTakahiro Ohgihara5 Oct, 1991JPN
    3DFYuta Someya30 Sep, 1986JPN
    4DFKohta Fujimoto2 Apr, 1986JPN
    5MFAriajasuru Hasegawa29 Oct, 1988JPN
    6MFHotaru Yamaguchi6 Oct, 1990JPN
    7DFToru Araiba12 Jul, 1979JPN
    8FWYoichiro Kakitani3 Jan, 1990JPN
    9FWRyo Nagai23 May, 1991JPN
    10FWDiego Forlan19 May, 1979URU
    11MFJumpei Kusukami27 Aug, 1987JPN
    13MFTakumi Minamino16 Jan, 1995JPN
    14DFYusuke Maruhashi2 Sep, 1990JPN
    15MFTakamitsu Yoshino24 Apr, 1989JPN
    16DFJun Ando8 Oct, 1984JPN
    17DFNoriyuki Sakemoto8 Sep, 1984JPN
    18MFMitch Nichols1 May, 1989AUS
    19DFYuki Kotani27 Jul, 1991JPN
    20FWKenyu Sugimoto18 Nov, 1992JPN
    21GKKim Jin-Hyeon6 Jul, 1987KOR
    23DFTatsuya Yamashita7 Nov, 1987JPN
    24MFTakeru Okada31 Aug, 1994JPN
    25MFMasato Kurogi24 Oct, 1989JPN
    26MFDaichi Akiyami28 Jul, 1994JPN
    27GKKenta Tanno30 Aug, 1986JPN
    30MFGojko Kacar26 Jan, 1987SRB

     
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  24. naopon

    naopon Member+

    Jan 2, 2007
    California
    Club:
    Kawasaki Frontale
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  25. naopon

    naopon Member+

    Jan 2, 2007
    California
    Club:
    Kawasaki Frontale
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Zaccheroni is in attendance at the Sanfrecce - Guoan match

    Forlán is on the bench.
     
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