Official 2013 Big Soccer US Player Draft Discussion Thread

Discussion in 'USA Men' started by Balerion, Jan 21, 2013.

  1. beamish

    beamish Member+

    Jul 6, 2009
    Never mind
     
  2. bmo180

    bmo180 Member+

    Jan 25, 2012
    dude dont give people hints on who to pick...
     
  3. soccersubjectively

    soccersubjectively BigSoccer Supporter

    Jan 17, 2012
    Dallas
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    S/o to Joe Cleats who drafted in 11 minutes. Real Soccer FC goin' hard on the draft board.
     
  4. deuteronomy

    deuteronomy Member+

    Angkor Siem Reap FC
    United States
    Aug 12, 2008
    at the pitch
    Club:
    Siem Reap Angkor FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Mr. Martin has left to go to church services. I hope he is praying that we get the selection we have our eyes on. From our lips to God's ears . . (as if there weren't more important things to be concerned with).:)
     
  5. Harper916

    Harper916 Member+

    Mar 30, 2001
    Lake Charles, La.
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    It looks like Sean has been on the clock for 12 hours, so Mr Martin/deuteronomy are on the clock and can pick at any time. I will send them both a message.
     
  6. Sean...

    Sean... Member

    Jul 23, 2005
    Ireland
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Work again screwing me over, I'll pick in a sec!
     
  7. Mr Martin

    Mr Martin Member+

    Jun 12, 2002
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    We were going to pick after the 12 hours, but let it slide some. Will be posting shortly, and it wasn't going to be Gooch.
     
  8. Hararea

    Hararea Member+

    Jan 21, 2005
    Since I was looking for a creative player this round, my three names were Benny, Rolfe, and Bedoya. Of the three, Rolfe was my favorite, but I can understand why others might prefer someone else. Specific to Bedoya, that move to Scotland a couple of years ago was really ill-advised. Didn't fit his style at all. Will be interesting to see where he lands next.

    For round five, Gooch was the only name my list, though I was pretty sure he wouldn't slip that far. Time to come up with some more realistic possibilities.
     
  9. soccersubjectively

    soccersubjectively BigSoccer Supporter

    Jan 17, 2012
    Dallas
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    It looks like everyone is excited to take a youngster or surprised that x player fell to them..
     
  10. Hararea

    Hararea Member+

    Jan 21, 2005
    Wait a couple of rounds. Up ahead is less excitement, more fitting the needs of your team. And after that comes a mixture of desperation and wishful thinking. :D
     
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  11. AutoPenalti

    AutoPenalti Am I famous yet?

    Sep 26, 2011
    Coconut Creek
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I think it's safe to say that I took the remaining promising youngsters in this draft.

    :p :D
     
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  12. Mr Martin

    Mr Martin Member+

    Jun 12, 2002
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  13. deuteronomy

    deuteronomy Member+

    Angkor Siem Reap FC
    United States
    Aug 12, 2008
    at the pitch
    Club:
    Siem Reap Angkor FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Balerion, Good picks, I'm a bit surprised you didn't select Howard with your fourth round pick and Castillo with your 5th out of Respect for Howard. . .:)
     
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  14. Hararea

    Hararea Member+

    Jan 21, 2005
    He can't complain too much about adding the #1 GK and the #1 left back in the draft, but looking at his roster, I think he would've been better off if there hadn't been a run on midfielders leading up to his pick. He could really have used one of them.
     
  15. MLSNHTOWN

    MLSNHTOWN Member+

    Oct 27, 1999
    Houston, TX
    I honestly thought about both as well for my picks, but while I think the world of Howard I couldn't do it with the drop off in talent at several other positions (like right mid for instance). I have never personally liked Castillo myself due to his struggles defensively. But he is definitely getting better in that regard and hopefully he can keep improving.
     
  16. soccersubjectively

    soccersubjectively BigSoccer Supporter

    Jan 17, 2012
    Dallas
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Love the Gaven pick up.
     
  17. MI-Soccerfan

    MI-Soccerfan Member+

    Jan 19, 2012
    Club:
    Tottenham Hotspur FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    wanted Castillo... I knew I should have taken him with my last pick
     
  18. Balerion

    Balerion Member+

    Aug 5, 2006
    Roslindale, MA
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Deuteronomy, it's funny you mention that. The reason why I picked Castillo first was that when I posted the pick I wasn't 100% sure who I was going to pick next. Howard was a bit of a snap decision.

    I was considering a few other players -- and definitely a few midfielders, Hararea -- but at the last moment I decided that the top midfielders remaining on the board didn't separate themselves from the pack by enough distance to justify taking them at this point with Howard still on the board.

    So with that, you guys can end a run on midfielders and begin a run on left backs and goalkeepers. :)
     
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  19. Balerion

    Balerion Member+

    Aug 5, 2006
    Roslindale, MA
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    MLSNHTOWN -- I feel your pain on Kitchen. I think he may have been an ever-so-slight overdraft, although I think he's a good pick. I doubt that he would have been available when your 6th round pick came around. Additionally, I am glad that you drafted him because I would have been really annoyed had he dropped 21 picks, only to see you snag him just before my turn came around.

    This is my third US Draft and my second picking on the ends of the snake. It certainly adds another element to drafting calculations.
     
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  20. Mr Martin

    Mr Martin Member+

    Jun 12, 2002
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Deportivo Vejete's pick at #51, 3d in the 5th Round, was coming down to Gaven vs Gordon, with a couple of other names also in play, but slipping down our team's priority list. MLSNHTOWN grabbed Gaven with the #47 pick, a player I really like, so Gordon became our pick.

    The drafting gets tricky from here on, as others have also noted. Do you grab the best player or fill a need from an ever-shrinking pool. We wanted another scorer, but didn't think Gordon or the few others still on the board would make it to our next pick late in the 6th Round. Waiting 18 selections between #51 and #70 allows for runs on certain types of players that one can't control and can't stop once they get going.

    I did also like the Kitchen pick, a promising young player, and I was wondering when Howard would be taken. Top of the 5th Round for the clear #1 keeper is certainly a great value.
     
  21. bmo180

    bmo180 Member+

    Jan 25, 2012
    Good picks, Gordon and Kitchen were on my shortlist, and Gordon was definitely the best striker left imo
     
  22. deuteronomy

    deuteronomy Member+

    Angkor Siem Reap FC
    United States
    Aug 12, 2008
    at the pitch
    Club:
    Siem Reap Angkor FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Ahhhh, Martin, you're always a gentleman. You know we wanted Gordon the whole time. :D

    I have learned and would emphasize, balancing one's team early is critical. We have noticed with our picks so close together (it's 18 selections before we get another crack) that a number of players who would be an excellent complement have disappeared.

    Some of the things we like about Gordon was that:

    a. he balanced our team as a target forward option
    b. We thought he was the best attacking player left on the boards.
    c. Attacking options of quality are now very much scarce and at a premium.
     
  23. Mr Martin

    Mr Martin Member+

    Jun 12, 2002
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Again, using Harper916's format, but only one round at a time (Harper provides a very useful full list of all rounds every few days):

    Fourth Round
    37. bmo180 - Nick Deleon
    38. Neuwerld - DaMarcus Beasley
    39. Academìa C.F.(AutoPenalti) - Matt Hedges
    40. Sebsasour - Michael Parkhurst
    41. Harper916 - CJ Sapong
    42. MI-Soccerfan - Clarence Goodson
    43. Real Soccer FC(soccersubjectively/joe cleats) - Benny Feilhaber
    44. Hararea - Chris Rolfe
    45. Sean... - Oguchi Onyewu
    46. Deportivo Vejete(Mr Martin/deuteronomy) - Alejandro Bedoya
    47. MLSNHTOWN - Eddie Gaven
    48. Balerion - Edgar Castillo


    DeLeon (15th Round) and Hedges (17th Round) are the biggest climbers from last year's draft.

    Castillo rose from the 6th round and Rolfe and Gaven rose from the 5th round, last year.

    Parkhurst and Bedoya remained very stable in Drafter's minds, sticking with the 4th round both years. Parkhurst actually rose only one spot from 41 to 40, and Bedoya rose one spot from 47 to 46.

    The other 5 players taken in this year's 4th Round fell from higher rounds. Onyewu dropped the most, from a 1st Rounder in each of the last two drafts (Giffenbone and I took him at #11 last year); obviously injuries and age taking a toll.

    Feilhaber and Beasley slipped from the 2nd Round.

    Sapong and Goodson fell from the 3d Round last year.

    Of the 48 picks in the first 4 rounds, I count:

    0 Keepers
    13 defenders
    18 midfielders
    8 offensive mids or wing forwards
    9 forwards

    Though some may differ a bit on how certain players are categorized.
     
  24. Hararea

    Hararea Member+

    Jan 21, 2005
    Looking back further, Gooch had been a first-rounder in four straight drafts and six of the last seven, peaking in 2006 as the #2 overall pick. He had never dropped beyond the second round before.

    It's been a long time since he had a run of success, and I'm not optimistic about his situation at Malaga, which is what made me pass on him. But I think Sean got a great player with that pick. He's healthy now and just needs to get games to shake off the rust.
     
  25. Harper916

    Harper916 Member+

    Mar 30, 2001
    Lake Charles, La.
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Updated Draft Board

    First Round

    1. Balerion - Clint Dempsey
    2. MLSNHTOWN - Michael Bradley
    3. Deportivo Vejete(Mr Martin/deuteronomy) - Landon Donovan
    4. Sean... - Jozy Altidore
    5. Hararea - Fabian Johnson
    6. Real Soccer FC(soccersubjectively/joe cleats) - Geoff Cameron
    7. MI-Soccerfan - Jermaine Jones
    8. Harper916 - Graham Zusi
    9. Sebsasour - Daniel Williams
    10. Academìa C.F.(AutoPenalti) - Mikkel Diskerud
    11. Neuwerld - Timothy Chandler
    12. bmo180 - Omar Gonzalez

    Second Round

    13. bmo180 - Josh Gatt
    14. Neuwerld - Brek Shea
    15. Academìa C.F.(AutoPenalti) - John Anthony Brooks
    16. Sebsasour - Herculez Gomez
    17. Harper916 - Stuart Holden
    18. MI-Soccerfan - Sacha Kljestan
    19. Real Soccer FC(soccersubjectively/joe cleats) - Steve Cherundolo
    20. Hararea - Terrence Boyd
    21. Sean... - Jose Francisco Torres
    22. Deportivo Vejete(Mr Martin/deuteronomy) - Eddie Johnson
    23. MLSNHTOWN - Chris Wondolowski
    24. Balerion - Matt Besler

    Third Round

    25. Balerion - Will Bruin
    26. MLSNHTOWN - Chris Pontius
    27. Deportivo Vejete(Mr Martin/deuteronomy) - Mo Edu
    28. Sean... - Kyle Beckerman
    29. Hararea - Juan Agudelo
    30. Real Soccer FC(soccersubjectively/joe cleats) - Brad Davis
    31. MI-Soccerfan - Joe Corona
    32. Harper916 - Dax McCarty
    33. Sebsasour - Carlos Bocanegra
    34. Academìa C.F.(AutoPenalti) - Luis Gil
    35. Neuwerld - Kenny Cooper
    36. bmo180 - Aron Johansson

    Fourth Round

    37. bmo180 - Nick Deleon
    38. Neuwerld - DaMarcus Beasley
    39. Academìa C.F.(AutoPenalti) - Matt Hedges
    40. Sebsasour - Michael Parkhurst
    41. Harper916 - CJ Sapong
    42. MI-Soccerfan - Clarence Goodson
    43. Real Soccer FC(soccersubjectively/joe cleats) - Benny Feilhaber
    44. Hararea - Chris Rolfe
    45. Sean... - Oguchi Onyewu
    46. Deportivo Vejete(Mr Martin/deuteronomy) - Alejandro Bedoya
    47. MLSNHTOWN - Eddie Gaven
    48. Balerion - Edgar Castillo

    Fifth Round

    49. Balerion - Tim Howard
    50. MLSNHTOWN - Perry Kitchen
    51. Deportivo Vejete(Mr Martin/deuteronomy) - Alan Gordon
    52. Sean... - Eric Lichaj
    53. Hararea - Michael Farfan
    54. Real Soccer FC(soccersubjectively/joe cleats) -
    55. MI-Soccerfan -
    56. Harper916 -
    57. Sebsasour -
    58. Academìa C.F.(AutoPenalti) -
    59. Neuwerld -
    60. bmo180 -
     

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