Official 2012 J2 Thread [R]

Discussion in 'Japanese Club Football' started by SamuraiBlue2002, Feb 26, 2012.

  1. Whispered11

    Whispered11 Member+

    U.C. Sampdoria
    Japan
    Oct 4, 2011
    Munich, Germany
    Club:
    UC Sampdoria
    Nat'l Team:
    Japan
    Sad. He seems to be really attached to his homeland.
    Anyway, Jogo + Davi.. that would be huge. A title-tandem?
     
  2. artml

    artml Member

    Liverpool FC
    Ukraine
    Jul 11, 2009
    Los Angeles
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    Nat'l Team:
    --other--
    11,119 in Gifu. Am I high or something?
     
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  3. Pjdawa

    Pjdawa Member

    Jan 18, 2011
    Club:
    Gamba Osaka
    1-Kofu 85
    2-Kyoto 73
    3-Shonan 72
    4-Oita 70
    5-YFC 70
    6-Chiba 69
    last round games:
    -Kyoto-Kofu
    -Machida-Shonan
    -YFC-Gifu
    -Matsumoto-Oita
     
  4. Pjdawa

    Pjdawa Member

    Jan 18, 2011
    Club:
    Gamba Osaka
    19- Toyama 35 g.d.:-23
    20- FC Gifu 35 -27
    21- Tottori 35 -46
    22- Machida 32 -30

    last round:
    Machida-Shonan
    YFC-Gifu
    Tottori-Fukuoka
    Toyama-Mito

    If there's a logic and some rationality behind all this...Machida won't beat Shonan...
    :unsure:
     
  5. artml

    artml Member

    Liverpool FC
    Ukraine
    Jul 11, 2009
    Los Angeles
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    Nat'l Team:
    --other--
    I checked, this is Gifu's biggest home crowd ever. And the only 10k+ as well.
     
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  6. Whispered11

    Whispered11 Member+

    U.C. Sampdoria
    Japan
    Oct 4, 2011
    Munich, Germany
    Club:
    UC Sampdoria
    Nat'l Team:
    Japan
    Question: can Oita or YFC get direct promotion and 2nd place? Or not?
     
  7. artml

    artml Member

    Liverpool FC
    Ukraine
    Jul 11, 2009
    Los Angeles
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    Nat'l Team:
    --other--
    Mathematically, yes. If both Sanga and Bellmare lose their games, Trinita and/or YFC will overtake the former by goal difference.

    Really, no – for the very same reason.
     
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  8. Majster2

    Majster2 Member+

    Apr 23, 2010
    Poland
    Club:
    Urawa RD
    Oh, sorry. Artem was faster ;)
     
  9. nipponbasse83

    nipponbasse83 Member+

    Jun 17, 2007
    Ichikawa, Chiba, Japan
    Club:
    Consadole Sapporo
    Nat'l Team:
    Norway
    Of course they can.

    Sanga can EASILY lose to Kofu, as Kofu, despite being already champions, still seem to be partly motivated atleast with the ongoing unbeaten streak etc.

    And Shonan, who have only won 2 out of the last 10 games, meet a Machida side who are in a MUST-WIN situation. The only teams Shonan have beaten lately is 2 other bottom-dwellers in Gainare and Kataller, so there is no reason to automatically believe that Shonan will win that easily.

    And Yokohama are the form team no.1 in the league at the moment, and Oita are not far behind, and both teams got on paper easier matches than both Kyoto and Shonan.

    Another thing is goal-difference. Kyoto's is by far the worst, and if Shonan draws they will have +20. if Oita wins by 2 goals then they will be ahead of Shonan while Yokohama have to win 4-0 to get an equal goal-difference with Shonan ( which in that case Yokohama will get 2nd cause they got a better head-to-head record). Of course, if Shonan lose, Yokohama ( or Oita) only need to win 1-0.

    So it's certainly no reason for Oita or Yokohama to think that the race for 2nd is over for them yet.
     
  10. Lupin III

    Lupin III Member+

    Mar 17, 2011
    Denmark
    Club:
    Brøndby IF
    Nat'l Team:
    Denmark
    Unfortunately everything can still happen. ^^
     
  11. artml

    artml Member

    Liverpool FC
    Ukraine
    Jul 11, 2009
    Los Angeles
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    Nat'l Team:
    --other--
    We'll see next week. I personally would love to see direct promotion for Oita, but won't bet a 100 yen on it.
     
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  12. gifu richy

    gifu richy Member

    Jun 17, 2009
    Club:
    --other--
    Actually, we had over 10,000 for a game when we were in Tokai 2nd Division a few years back:D

    But, yeah, this is the first time in the J2. Alot of it boiled down to:
    1. People were allowed to use invitational tickets (They weren't allowed to use them for the games at Meadow)
    2. Last game of the year
    3. Relegation battle
    4. Good weather
    5. Main stand tickets were only 1000yen

    Was a pleasant change. Would have been nice to at least score a goal in front of all those potential new fans
     
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  13. gifu richy

    gifu richy Member

    Jun 17, 2009
    Club:
    --other--
    Toyama's safe. They would have to have a big loss to Mito at home, while Machida has a big win over Shonan. Not gonna happen.
    I'm still scared about what Machida might do.
    I think the safest bet in these four games is a Gifu loss to YFC.
     
  14. Lupin III

    Lupin III Member+

    Mar 17, 2011
    Denmark
    Club:
    Brøndby IF
    Nat'l Team:
    Denmark
    But you are also forgetting Tottoris goal difference. If Machida wins and both Gifu and Tottori loses Tottori goes down.
     
  15. artml

    artml Member

    Liverpool FC
    Ukraine
    Jul 11, 2009
    Los Angeles
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    Nat'l Team:
    --other--
    I only have game-by-game data for Gifu since 2007, their JFL season. For Tokai League seasons I only have averages of 597 and 4,076 for D2 and D1, respectively.

    After some googling I've found this interesting collection of charts that indeed indicates a 12,600 game happened in 2006. Gotta look for more data -- maybe I could find the detailed info for 2005 and 2006 seasons.

    Thanks for the note!
     
  16. gifu richy

    gifu richy Member

    Jun 17, 2009
    Club:
    --other--
    Yeah of course. I'm just saying that Tottori has a reasonable chance of getting points against Avispa, and the odds of Machida beating Shonan are probably better than Gifu beating Yokohama FC at the mo.
    Still, all up to Machida isn't it.
    Fingers crossed.
     
  17. gifu richy

    gifu richy Member

    Jun 17, 2009
    Club:
    --other--
    Wow, thats quite a random collection of graphs!!
    If I stumble across any figures for 2005/06 I'll tell ya!
     
  18. artml

    artml Member

    Liverpool FC
    Ukraine
    Jul 11, 2009
    Los Angeles
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    Nat'l Team:
    --other--
  19. Lupin III

    Lupin III Member+

    Mar 17, 2011
    Denmark
    Club:
    Brøndby IF
    Nat'l Team:
    Denmark
    Well among the 3 clubs Machida is the club that can take the relegation best I think, they can atleast be saying to the sponsors and fans that being the newest of 40 J-League clubs makes them being the most inexperienced (which is true offcourse).
     
  20. Blue-San

    Blue-San Member+

    Jun 21, 2011
    Club:
    Kashima Antlers
    Nat'l Team:
    Japan
    Today is the moment of truth

    I am thinking Kyoto

    but if they frack it up, they dont deserve it anyway than I really will facepalm if Bellmare doesnt capitalize on it
     
  21. Saku²

    Saku² Member+

    Aug 22, 2009
    Club:
    FC Salzburg
    Machida lasted a minute
     
  22. Saku²

    Saku² Member+

    Aug 22, 2009
    Club:
    FC Salzburg
    Terrible luck Sanga.
     
  23. surge79uwf

    surge79uwf Member

    Nov 21, 2007
    Jackson Heights, NY
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
    Machida 0-3 Shonan
    Shonan promoted as runner-up. Machida is bottom and must await JFL results to determine if relegation is direct or through playout.
    Playoff will be contested by Kyoto, Oita, Yokohama FC and JEF Chiba.
     
  24. Whispered11

    Whispered11 Member+

    U.C. Sampdoria
    Japan
    Oct 4, 2011
    Munich, Germany
    Club:
    UC Sampdoria
    Nat'l Team:
    Japan
    Kyoto :facepalm:
     
  25. gifu richy

    gifu richy Member

    Jun 17, 2009
    Club:
    --other--
    (sigh of relief)

    worst of the rest but ah well, work on that next season:whistling:
     

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