NY Red Bulls @ Chicago Fire on Sun-June 17 at 5PM [R]

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  1. ag nigrin Member

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    On NBC Sports Network! Can the Bulls continue winning on the road and stay up on top of the Eastern Conference?
          
  2. metz Member

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    You know me, I have to say something.... If you don't liked, I don't give a fu*ck....

    We will get back from the bitchy mini vacation season: Miller, Lindpere, Richards and don't tell me. wait, wait, please wait...oh yeah Marquez...how come I forget his name....

    So, what that mean?????? ...dirty thing, dirty things becomes this way if you liked it or not, ...

    Marquez will be the Man... Oh Yeah, the savior of the second half of the season....
    Miller will take the place of Lade and finished with his freaking rise to no where........
    Lindpere will take the place of McCarty........
    And Richards, well this place is for take..... unfortunately we haven't any body beside The Big Dog...

    What you think about our lovely team, with out McCarty and Lade on the line-up......
  3. Rooney20 Member

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    I think with 2 goals in the USOC Lade will start in the midfield and if Conde is back to pair with Hulk so Pearce can slide left which means Miller is on the bench.
  4. lkgf09 Member

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    Still a lot of variables out there to accurately predict a lineup. I think Henry should be ready by then so we should see a 442. Also there is a question of Marquez's health. Not that we want to see him in the lineup but we know when he is healthy he is playing.

    Other than that I would like to see this back line -

    Pearce Holgersson Conde Barklage


    We really should beat Chicago. They have been an average up and down team. And this game starts a tough 3 game in 1 week stretch with tons of travel in between so getting a win after getting rested up with this long layoff is extremely important. Also they are a team chasing us so it is that much more important.

    We have had no success in Chicago so it's about damn time to pick up 3 points there.
  5. theENFORCER Member

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    Chicago seems like a lackluster offensive team. The only player I see that can be a problem for us is Oduro with his speed. Hulk needs to get in good defensive position so he doesn't get beat but if we can slow down the pace Conde and Pearce should eat up those attackers.

    After that bad loss against Harrisburg I fully expect us to put a thrashing on Chicago sorta like the match after DCU and RSL where we responded with big wins.

    But it all depends on where Dax is starting. If he's playing at DM i'm comfortable in a shutout but if he plays up front I'm thinking a lackluster performance. Lade definitely deserves a start and if Miller starts over him I think i'll pull out my hair.

    Anyways I hope we go with something like this, assuming Marquez is "injured"
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    But I thinking maybe we should start Pearce at CB instead of Hulk and insert Lade at LB to deal with Oduro. I just don't want to see a long through ball where Oduro pulls a Dane on the Hulk.
  6. metz Member

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    We can have a lot of surprises that I hope to be good ones, for the second half of the season:

    Backe and Soler has been talking about at least two or three new acquisitions, I will work here in the event of two new acquisitions, ...but I know they are committed to reform the Midfielder line.... Tainio will be declared on the Year End Disable List.... And will be waived at the end of the year...... so...I will list only the probably starters on they probably position.....

    Goal Keepers:.(2)...Meara......Vuolo .......I don't think they will looking for no body else right now.....
    Defenderss:....(8)...Solli, Barklage, Holgersson, Keel, Conde, Pearce, Ruthven and Miller...
    Midfoelders:...(8)..Richards, Palsson, Marquez, New One, McCarty, Ballouchy, Lindpere, Lade....
    Strikers:........,.(3)...Henry, New One, Cooper...

    What the line-up will look like. ...Well, take in consideration this. ...On the team are some Backe boys, that no matter what, they are imprescindibles for him.....Miller, Ballouchy, Holgersson and others like Marquez that he has committed or forced to use or die.....
    You make me a team of this list players and considerations and you will have the team of the future, I don't know if this players will make a winner formula, but that is this is what is behind the scenes ....

    You ask me what I see in the future: (Remember, this it is what Backe I think will do)
    Meara
    Solli...Conde....Pearce....Miller
    (Backe think experience is the way to go)
    Marquez
    Richards....New One....Lindpere
    Henry....New One

  7. hoya Member

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    He's not going to sit Cooper for a new signing. Only way that happens is if they bring in a DP at forward. If they are able to bring back Luke then I think Cooper may wind up sitting by the end of the year, certainly not right away. Luke would have to earn the spot. Your projected lineup has Backe essentially sitting Hulk for Miller. Not happening. Pearce plays LB and Hulk pairs with Conde in the middle. You are exaggerating Backe's attachment to Miller and underestimating his attachment to Hulk.
  8. Metrosuccess Member

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    I agree with Pearce and Lade and sit Statue.
  9. lkgf09 Member

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    We also have to remember that Solli is healthy and we may see him in a midfield role.
  10. Backe to the top Member

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    Meara
    Solli...Conde....Pearce....Miller
    (Backe think experience is the way to go)
    Marquez
    Richards....New One....Lindpere
    Henry....New One

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    No way we will see this back line unless we have injuries. The back four of Barklage, Conde, Holgersson and Pearce is set in stone. Rodgers will be back soon (I'm very confident) and Hans will interchange him and Cooper when Henry is fit. Solli will interchange with Richards on the right but Hans may also use him on the left along with Lade. I think Soler will buy a central mid playmaker and a left mid in the transfer window. Rodgers will be the third player bought in.
  11. iced1776 Member

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    Unfortunately, we all know this isn't going to happen.

    I'd be completely fine with a Solli-Lindpere-Dax-Richards midfield with Lade coming off the bench as a late game burst of energy, especially since despite all of Backe's rants about his stamina Solli seems to be having some fitness issues this season.
  12. metz Member

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    No way we will see this back line unless we have injuries. The back four of Barklage, Conde, Holgersson and Pearce is set in stone. Rodgers will be back soon (I'm very confident) and Hans will interchange him and Cooper when Henry is fit. Solli will interchange with Richards on the right but Hans may also use him on the left along with Lade. I think Soler will buy a central mid playmaker and a left mid in the transfer window. Rodgers will be the third player bought in.[/quote]

    The only I can tel you is, that Solli and Miller are Backe boys plus Marquez a pain in the ass that will play as a Defender Midfielder because, just because. .......Backe will play them regularly as possible he can, game after game one way or another, and will not, ...not even for players like Lade and McCarty that has been showing on the field the wonderful they can play, will be enough to convince him to sit Marquez, Miller, Solli or the New acquisitions...

    Now ......The way the statue has been playing is more than enough reason to sit him, with more reason now that we have Conde as a excuse and with the Pearce arrive a much more reason to do so. ...I will love to see Lade and Barklage on the flanks, but Backe will not agree with me on that..... And will like to see some body else for Richards, but this wish will not look like will be possible this season

    Soler is committed to bring a CAM and a Striker and he say is with the idea of giving to the team more energy and effectiveness not to sit them for, so, at front we will have a new striker for Cooper and at the midfielder a new Attacking player for McCarty and Ballouchy they will play some place else or will sit on for the rest of the season, .......and with 43% of the games wasted )lose/tie) he is convinced that we need a new striker and he will not bring him to sit down to warm the bench, hell no, Cooper have to sit for him,,,,My guess is that Lindpere will be back as a LW instead of Lade or Miller, isn't way that Backe will sit Lindpere with the way he has serving this team and the support he have of the fan....So, there you have why this will be the first RBNY team:
    Meara
    Solli...Conde....Pearce....Miller
    (Backe think experience is the way to go)
    Marquez
    Richards....New One....Lindpere
    Henry..New One
  13. iced1776 Member

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    If Solli and Miller are Backe's boys, then Holgersson is 10x more Backe's boy. He isn't sitting, its not even worth talking about. And Soler said that they are looking for more attacking options, but he did not specify that he was looking for starting options, he could easily be looking for a cheaper player to act as a backup to Cooper and Henry. That is assuming of course that Rodgers doesn't come back. Backe also seems dedicated to keeping Barklage at RB, I think Solli is far more likely to take Lade's spot at LM than move back to RB.

    Sorry metz, you were wrong about the lineup against Harrisburg, I think you've got this one wrong too.
  14. GMangs Member+

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    I like that lineup and agree that Holgersson needs to get taken out.
  15. GMangs Member+

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    With what we have now.

    ----------------Meara---------------
    Barklage---Conde---Pearce---Lade
    ------------------Dax---------------
    --Richards-----Lindpere-----Solli--
    -----------Henry----Cooper---------

    What I would do with a few signings.

    ----------------Meara---------------
    Barklage---Conde---New Guy---Pearce
    ------------------Dax---------------
    Richards-----New Guy-----Lindpere
    -----------Henry----Cooper---------

    Get rid of Marquez and replace with a CB. DP CB unless a trade can be pulled off for a top CB in the league. If Conde keeps getting injured move Pearce to CB with new guy and Lade to LB.

    New guy, DP, at CM.

    Get rid of Ballouchy, Miller, and Holgersson. Replace with a back, mid, and two strikers. One striker has to be of starting quality to challenge Cooper. Not that I would bench him, cause he is putting balls in the net. However, if Henry or Cooper go down we need someone that is capable.
  16. metz Member

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    What they will sign next month will be one striker..... The Marquez situation is very problematic, because no body in his right mind will pay him 4.6M and I don't know if Soler and Backe have the "COJONES" to trade him with a condition that the Red Bulls will pay at least 1/2 of his salary for the rest of 2011 and the whole 2013 season, and tel to the owner that they will do that, and is the only way that some another team can take Rafa in his roster.... If they get this done, then they will sign two Midfielders a CAM and a back up for McCarty, remember that Tainio I thing will declared on the "Year Ending DL" and will be waived at the end of the season, so, McCarty will need a back-up.....Solli will be a back up for Barklage and Richards for the rest of the season....At the LB will be Miller/Lade, CB we have plenty of ammunition there, and Holgersson, Keel and Ruthven will back up Conde and Pearce..... so there you have...
    Meara
    Barklage....Pearce....Conde....Miller
    McCarty
    Richards....new CAM....Lindpere
    New Striker....Henry

    They will sign a new DP, could be the CAM or the striker, if it is the striker we will see Cooper on the bench most of the time, a very hard drink to swallow...
  17. tigersoccer2005 Member

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    SHS (swedish hulk statue) played horribly in a losing effort at the US Open Cup. He brings a veteran mentality to the position but he is physically outplayed every time the opposition has guys with pace...
  18. theENFORCER Member

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    This is true. He's an extremely good passer from the back and he's good at making interceptions but like you mentioned he does struggle against faster players. I actually think he's a decent player but his speed does cripple us.

    We'll either need to play with a deeper backline or have Barklage played more reserved to give him coverage. But I think once we get some new signings we'll switch to a more possessive style of player which will benefit him. Or maybe do we make Dax slide between the centerhalves to give him more coverage?? Anyways we'll need to not make stupid turnovers which can lead to quick counters. Slow the pace down, possess the ball and give it to Henry and we'll win.
  19. metz Member

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    Remember what I say when I give that line-up....If Backe want to win he will have to line-up Henry, but he look it that he don't want to win and in effect he lose the game lining up a different team.....I'm glad that I don't propose that line-up, because was a looser one.....
  20. Metrosuccess Member

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    Like the Titanic had a slow leak...LOL....
  21. metz Member

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    You know, is inconceivable to me, how some people can ignore the defects on a player that for this defect goals are scoring against us or for that defect we lost the chance of score goals like Holgerson for one side and Richards for the other.... hear me good, I don't say mistakes, mistake can be corrected, I say original defects on a player, defects that can't be fixed, defects that the person born with and will die with.....
  22. iced1776 Member

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  23. tigersoccer2005 Member

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    Ballouchy is def a Backe guy through and through. Every coach has players that they "fall in love with"--and Ballouchy seems to be one of those guys for Backe. His performance on the field does not really warrant Backe's obsession with him, but we'll probably see a lot more of him before the season is through. As a fan, sometimes I wish I could look into Backe's brain and understand his thought process.
  24. metz Member

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    Ballouchy, Miller, Holgersson and Arteaga to be exact.... and good for you not to able to look inside Backe brain, because to be to close will infect you.....
  25. iced1776 Member

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    From all accounts Ballouchy is a beast in training, shows the best ball skills on the team and his passing is pinpoint. Unfortunately he has trouble translating that into a competitive 11 v 11 game week after week, his form is all over the place.

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